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Phat Member Posts: 18762 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
NosyNed writes: Not everyone should get a ribbon for having ran the race. The America that my friend saw and believes in rewards initiative. Equality forces society to lower the bar in order to accommodate everyone which in his mind is socialism. As we have discussed before, America already has some socialist policies and I am not in favor of dismantling those. For example, I would *never* privatize Social Security or Medicare/ObamaCare. Socialism has its place, but in this Country, Freedom should supersede Equality. (In my opinion). Just what is CRT? What is a "woke agenda"? What is wrong with equality over freedom and how do you think it should be? CRT is Critical Race Theory, a lofty scholarly discipline that I don't yet understand enough to label. I will mention, however, that singling out people without color in order to raise the bar for people of color will only lead to social conflicts. As for the "Woke Agenda," I see that Encyclopedia Britannica does not mention such an agenda. They do talk about Incrementalism and the ideal of rational decision-making . quote:I resist extreme Social Activism, which I think the term loosely means. I usually hear the term "woke agenda" on places such as Fox News.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2383 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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CRT is Critical Race Theory, a lofty scholarly discipline that I don't yet understand enough to label.
if you don't understand it how can you be against it?
Freedom should supersede Equality
how can you have freedom without equality?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tangle Member Posts: 9697 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.2
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Hey Phat, forgotten this?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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jar Member (Idle past 225 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Look up the organization ANTIFA.
Learn the basics Phat. There is no organization ANTIFA. There are many who are anti-fascism though.My Website: My Website
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ringo Member (Idle past 798 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
DUH! And why would I want to find stuff that supported your argument rather than mine? That question is in the Top Ten Stupidest Things Ever Said On This Forum. How can you possibly DISCUSS anything without knowing the arguments of the other side?
Phat writes:
Then why do you ask? (Seriously I know why.)Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 798 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
My brother ran in the city marathon every year. He got a medal every year, even though he was in the back of the pack. Not everyone should get a ribbon for having ran the race. Some things are an accomplishment, not just a competition.
Phat writes:
It rewards the rich. An ordinary Safeway cashier stays an ordinary Safeway cashier.
The America that my friend saw and believes in rewards initiative. Phat writes:
What "bar" exactly? That sounds like a catch-phrase with no thought behind it.
Equality forces society to lower the bar in order to accommodate everyone... Phat writes:
So are roads. How is that a bad thing? ... which in his mind is socialism. You and your friend should be roaming the streets in your storm-trooper uniforms, shouting your slogans. Maybe you can learn the English words to the Horst Wessel Lied.
Phat writes:
So you're a hypocrite.
America already has some socialist policies and I am not in favor of dismantling those. Phat writes:
Your right-wing handlers want to be free to take YOUR equality away. Freedom should supersede Equality.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8738 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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I seriously considered posting the song. What the hell is the matter with me?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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Says the guy that inherited a condo and gambled all his money away. Love to see entitled people criticize the poor and refuse to acknowledge their own privilege and stupidity.
Too personal? Fuck you. 90% percent of your posts are personally offensive.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6276 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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quote: And why would I want to find stuff that supported your argument rather than mine? Obviously, to learn what you can about the position that you oppose, or at least do not support. It's also part and parcel of seeking the truth. Or to quote from memory a radio interview I heard c. 1990 with the then-Governor of Mississippi justifying his push for education reform:
quote: I'm sure that you are well aware of my extremely low opinion of "creation science" and of the extreme moral turpitude displayed and practiced by creationists. Am I just bigoted against them because I "hate God"? No. Rather, my position is based on having studied what their position through their own writings and on decades of very bitter experience trying in vain to discuss their position and claims with them -- HINT: creationists almost invariably refuse to discuss their claims and will do anything they can to derail any and all attempts at honest discussion. My entry into "creation science" and subsequent opposition to it were based on my sincere attempts to "find stuff that supported [their] argument[s]". How else was I supposed to learn about it? In 1990 on CompuServe, another member asked me about my position so I wrote an explanation of how I had arrived at it and posted it in the Science & Religion Library on CompuServe (Feb 1990) and it was the first page I reposted on my first website as Why I Oppose Creation Science (or, How I got to Here from There) (filename is warum.html; "warum" is German for "why?"). From that page:
quote: My essay goes on to recount my many discoveries about "creation science". The point is that it is very important to learn about those people and positions that are in opposition to us, especially what they themselves teach. That is why my NCO Leadership School taught us Marxism and Communism, not because the USAF wanted to turn us into Commies, but rather to make us more effective Cold Warriors by knowing our enemy (as per General Sun Tzu) and because we know that ignorance does not work. The example set by the other side, the creationists, demonstrates in real life Verse 33 from Sun Tzu: "If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."
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Phat Member Posts: 18762 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
First off, I DO acknowledge my privilege and stupidity in my earlier struggles with addictions.
As far as offending you, I don't worry as much about that because your ideology basically says that one is either part of the problem or part of the solution. Everything is one way with you and several others whom I communicate with. By coddling people who were offended and hurt in life, we are not helping them. Granted we don't help them by being racist or continuing to make the mistakes our ancestors made, but I might mention that many of the "disciples" of CRT, educated and elitist that they claim to be, view virtually ALL White People as racist due to the invisible knapsack of privilege that they were born with. I'm not on board with that type of activism as a solution in our country or on this planet. I will say that if a persuasive enough argument is presented to me as to why I should be on board, I might listen. I'm not simply some white privileged ass. Im human and have had my own struggles in life...struggles that no one at this forum knows about. Tell me to f**k off if you want...you are a gruff old man who wears his heart on his sleeve, but I still listen to you.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18762 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
ringo writes: You can't have equality without freedom. Ask the people in China. They are neither equal nor free.
Your right-wing handlers want to be free to take YOUR equality away. ringo writes: I'll buy that.
My brother ran in the city marathon every year. He got a medal every year, even though he was in the back of the pack. Some things are an accomplishment, not just a competition. Phat writes:
America already has some socialist policies and I am not in favor of dismantling those.ringo writes: Why is everything so extreme with you? We both say similar things about each other. I call you a Marxist and you call me a fascist. We need to rediscover that wonderfully gray area known as moderate. It is not hypocritical to find a consensus. So you're a hypocrite. The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Tanypteryx Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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You can't have equality without freedom. But you can have both Dumbass. AND FREEDOM COMES WITH REPONSIBILITIES!Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 225 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You continue to display your utter ignorance in just about every possible area of life.
Of course it is possible to have both greater equality and freedom. You need to stop simply parroting the meaningless slogans that are the providence of most religions and the current fascist GOP.
Begin here. Phat, you really don't have to be stupid unless you choose to be stupid.My Website: My Website
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined:
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He is willfully stupid and will continue until the day he dies.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member (Idle past 90 days) Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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He is willfully stupid and will continue until the day he dies. His self-radicalization continues and it looks to me like he has passed the point of no return. His brain has had too much sugar for too many years.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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