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Message 1 of 128 (906156)
02-08-2023 10:33 AM


For one thing, I agree with her rebuttal to Bidens state of the union speech. Most of the peanut gallery agrees with Biden,so I thought I would stir the pot a bit with this post. I anticipate Theodoric dutifully digging up dirt on Sarah!
One of the points of contention that she allegedly said regarded racism in classrooms. Newsweek did a fact check.
Newsweek did a fact check.
Newsweek writes:
uckabee Sanders signed an executive order on January 10, 2023, titled: "EXECUTIVE ORDER TO PROHIBIT INDOCTRINATION AND CRITICAL RACE THEORY IN SCHOOLS".
The order bans the teaching of critical race theory (CRT), an academic study that explores the notion of systemic racism in American laws and institutions.
Huckabee Sanders claimed CRT "emphasizes skin color as a person's primary characteristic, thereby resurrecting segregationist values, which America has fought so hard to reject."
Within the order, the governor told the Secretary of the Department of Education to "identify any items that may, purposely or otherwise promote teaching that would indoctrinate students with ideologies such as CRT that conflict with the principle of equal protection under the law or encourage students to discriminate against someone based on the individual's color, creed, race, ethnicity... or any other characteristic protected by federal or state law."
Broadly, the order (at the very least) severely limits the teaching of CRT or practices similar to it. The order advances no new prohibitions on racism as a concept, nor tries to define it in any new terms, beyond her view that CRT resurrects "segregationist values."
That the executive order treats CRT as "segregationist" indicates Huckabee considers it a kind of racism, but she did not state that explicitly either in the transcript or during her broadcast rebuttal.
The confusion, it seems, comes from her appearing to treat "racism" as a separate clause to "CRT" and "indoctrination" when she is referring to one executive order in politically rhetorical terms.
There is no evidence that she has "banned racism" in classrooms and mocking tweets by Swalwell, Tyler Cohen, and others, reflect that notion.
The conservative narrative by and large emphasizes traditional family values which they see as being lost. They accuse the political Left of pushing radical change. The Left, in response, says that some of the values that America had and still has are not progressive and in fact regressive. Comments?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
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Message 2 of 128 (906157)
02-08-2023 10:49 AM
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02-08-2023 10:33 AM


Yup.
You are willfully stupid; deplorable, despicable, pathetic and ignorant.

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Message 3 of 128 (906159)
02-08-2023 10:56 AM
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02-08-2023 10:49 AM


You forgot racist and troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 4 of 128 (906161)
02-08-2023 11:05 AM
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02-08-2023 10:49 AM


Is She Also Deplorable For Being Conservative?
Forum Guidelines.
Argue the position not the person. Sheeesh.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 5 of 128 (906164)
02-08-2023 11:16 AM
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Re: Is She Also Deplorable For Being Conservative?
No, she is deplorable for trying to claim to be a conservative.

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Message 6 of 128 (906166)
02-08-2023 11:22 AM
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02-08-2023 11:16 AM


Bidens Speech
To be fair...(Im listening to his full speech now)
Fact-checking President Biden’s State of the Union speech
I must be a Conservative, though I claim to be more in the middle.
State of the Union: Biden sees economic glow, GOP sees gloom
jar writes:
...she is deplorable for trying to claim to be a conservative.
My next question to you is this:
What is a Conservative?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 7 of 128 (906175)
02-08-2023 11:47 AM
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02-08-2023 11:22 AM


Re: Bidens Speech
Not anything seen in the US today.

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Message 8 of 128 (906178)
02-08-2023 11:55 AM
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02-08-2023 10:33 AM


Phat writes:
The conservative narrative by and large emphasizes traditional family values which they see as being lost.
What are these traditional family values, how are they being lost, and what are Republicans trying to do to restore them?
They accuse the political Left of pushing radical change. The Left, in response, says that some of the values that America had and still has are not progressive and in fact regressive. Comments?
99% of what they accuse liberals of are non-existent or so minor as to be ignored. They use buzzwords like "CRT" to scare people and demonize the "other". Republicans are using these made up culture wars to camouflage their actual agenda which isn't at all friendly to their constituency.

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Message 9 of 128 (906180)
02-08-2023 12:03 PM
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02-08-2023 11:47 AM


Re: Bidens Speech
IIRC you once claimed to be an "Eisenhower Conservative. Fiscally you were conservative, but morally and socially more liberal. Right?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 10 of 128 (906182)
02-08-2023 12:04 PM
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02-08-2023 11:22 AM


Re: Bidens Speech
Phat, do you even know what CRT is, cuz your girlfriend certainly doesn't.
You will not find critical race theory in grade school or high school, not even baccalaureate level. It is graduate level. You have to have your bachelors degree because the topic is considered in the discipline to be too complex to handle without training in the basics.
Critical race theory is the study of how race and racism affect society. We all know racism is more than prevalent in this society and has been a drag on economics, social cohesion and politics forever. CRT looks at and studies those effects. IT IS NOT A MOVEMENT AIMED AT REPARATIONS!
This is a legitimate body of work in the scientific study of society just as politics, economics and religion are studied in society.
Conservatives on the far right don't like it because they think it lends legitimacy to complaints from their enemy, the niggers.
Huckabee's stance is a purely racist response to a legitimate academic discipline. It is another glaring example of the open racism still practiced in this country.

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Message 11 of 128 (906206)
02-08-2023 2:23 PM
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Re: Bidens Speech
LOL
I was more a Rockefeller Republican.
But today even Joe Biden is way too far to the hard right of conservatism as to approach fascism.

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Message 12 of 128 (906224)
02-09-2023 3:30 AM
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02-08-2023 2:23 PM


What Is A Rockefeller Republican?
I never learned any of this stuff in school, for whatever reason, but I DO know how to look stuff up on the internet. Does this article in any way come close to what you mean by the term?---> The Original Rockefeller Republican What got me in the article was the claim that California was Conservative in 1964!!
quote:
Following primaries and conventions around the country, Rockefeller and Goldwater would face off decisively in California. Rockefeller represented the moderate wing of the Republican Party, yet struggled to line up the endorsements of the prominent leaders worried about Goldwater. President Eisenhower did not want to risk tarnishing his reputation with a public repudiation of the conservative darling. Others, such as Nixon, Michigan Governor George Romney, and Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton, still hoped to arrive at the convention as a compromise candidate after Rockefeller would slay Goldwater. They kept quiet to avoid alienating Goldwater’s supporters.
Then Californians, who made up the heart of Movement Conservatism, handed Goldwater a slim victory in the primary. Rockefeller had failed in his efforts to stop the conservative takeover of his party.

So back in that era, Republicans such as Rockefeller were more moderate?

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 13 of 128 (906225)
02-09-2023 3:37 AM
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02-08-2023 2:23 PM


Biden The Conservative..in 1964 Terms
Joe Biden is way too far to the hard right of conservatism as to approach fascism.
Woah. Full Stop. Are you telling me that even Biden is more Conservative than was Nelson Rockefeller? And what's all this talk about Fascism? I could see it taking hold if and only if the working class was decimated in a major Recession/Depression, but I don't see it as likely.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 14 of 128 (906226)
02-09-2023 4:13 AM
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02-08-2023 12:04 PM


CRT Examined
I looked up CRT at this source: Encyclopedia Britannica.
critical race theory and would challenge the movement somewhat.
In the article, I read that:
Britannica:
legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour.(...)Critical race theory (CRT) was officially organized in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much farther, to the 1960s and ’70s. Its immediate precursor was the critical legal studies (CLS) movement, which dedicated itself to examining how the law and legal institutions serve the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the poor and marginalized. (CLS, an offshoot of Marxist-oriented critical theory, may also be viewed as a radicalization of early 20th-century legal realism(...)political liberalism was incapable of adequately addressing fundamental problems of injustice in American society (notwithstanding legislation and court rulings advancing civil rights in the 1950s and ’60s), because its emphasis on the equitable treatment under the law of all races (“color blindness”) rendered it capable of recognizing only the most overt and obvious racist practices, not those that were relatively indirect, subtle, or systemic. Liberalism was also faulted for mistakenly presupposing the apolitical nature of judicial decision-making and for taking a self-consciously incremental or reformist approach that prolonged unjust social arrangements and afforded opportunities for retrenchment and backsliding through administrative delays and conservative legal challenges.
Unlike most CLS scholars, however, critical race theorists did not wish to abandon the notions of law or legal rights altogether, because, in their experience, some laws and legal reforms had done much to help oppressed or exploited people. Yada Yada Yada.

Now it makes sense how and why liberalism changed for the worse and the polarity of the two main US ideologies widened. Seems as if Whites are targeted and that it is a natural result of white privilege. I also noticed the word "Marxist" in the explanation of the prior critical legal studies movement. It also makes sense why Theodoric always hangs the racist label on me because I refuse to go along with the goal of CRT:
quote:
Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.
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So these college-level "experts" are attempting to socially reengineer society?
So not only is my standard of living declining and my notions of color blindness not good enough, but it seems that the Whites now have to go to the back of the bus. Keep in mind that I never saw any of this as a black-and-white thing until the suggestion became to eliminate "unjust hierarchies". I won't push back unless pushed. Leave social engineering alone. No wonder the Liberals are now distrusted by the Conservatives. No wonder so many conservatives get hit with the racism label. And as you all will find out, pushing a group into a corner to redress grievances will only result in the newly marginalized group pushing back. Hence Populism, I suppose! Oh Jesus, why is this world becoming so fragmented and confrontational?
AddbyEdit:SUNY Professor Nicholas Giordano on N.Y. state universities mandating social justice courses. I know its on FOX, but they bring up a good point that people are now labeled either as oppressed or as oppressors.

The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Message 15 of 128 (906231)
02-09-2023 7:53 AM
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02-09-2023 3:37 AM


Re: Biden The Conservative..in 1964 Terms
Yes.
And about basics. It's time y0ou tried to learn what "fascism" really means.
You'll find it is exactly what the MAGA and GOP stand for and advocate.

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