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vimesey
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Message 301 of 589 (888101)
09-03-2021 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Michael MD
09-03-2021 3:12 AM


Re: Get Real.
That's kind of what a chap said to me when I received a random call from him, claiming to be from my bank - he wanted my bank account number, and I asked him how he was proposing to verify his identity to me. He rang off pretty quickly after that.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 302 of 589 (888102)
09-03-2021 6:30 AM
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09-03-2021 3:12 AM


Re: Get Real.
You can't give the details of the field test over the Internet because there are no details.
You have absolutely nothing and everyone except you can see that you really aren't wearing any clothes.

My Website: My Website

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Message 303 of 589 (888103)
09-03-2021 9:04 AM
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09-03-2021 3:12 AM


Re: Get Real.
Michael MD writes:
I couldn't give the details of the field test over the Internet. It would have to be a serious inquiry.
A good snake oil salesman would have moved on already.
--Percy

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Message 304 of 589 (888104)
09-03-2021 10:55 AM
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09-03-2021 9:04 AM


Re: Get Real.
A good snake oil salesman would have moved on already.
We need to cut him a bit of slack for not having skedaddled yet. Without an internet protocol for transmitting smell, he can't hear the tar being heated up (I'm not sure whether one could catch the smell of the feathers, but the smell of the hot tar should be unmistakable).

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 305 of 589 (888107)
09-03-2021 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Percy
09-01-2021 7:19 PM


Re: Get Real.
Percy writes:
You and Phat are like brothers now. No matter what anyone says you just ignore it and ramble on and on as if loquacious, pigheaded ignorance were a virtue.
I wish I lived on your planet. Here on Earth loquacious, pigheaded ignorance is a virtue.

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Michael MD
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Message 306 of 589 (888927)
10-24-2021 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by AnswersInGenitals
09-03-2021 2:58 PM


Re: Get Real.
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials.-
A universal ether arose post-first-causally when ultra-rarified elemental units transitioned, from oscillating with all other units, to vibrating independently and interacting with each other, via contact vibrations.
Michelson-Morley's (MMX) dismissal of "any and all types of" ether was erroneous, in such a case, because larger-scale units, like the photons of visible light being measured in MMX, would not interact inertially with this kind of ether, because its units would likely be so rarified that photons would merely "brush them aside," analogous to how a motorcar (photon) passes through a cloud of dust without interacting, inertially, with the dust particles (ether units.)
In my Model, this kind of ether nevertheless could interact in another way with quantum units, such as photons, because photons, like all quantum units, were originally formed through the linear motion of units through the ether matrix, which would have aligned their vibrations, and caused them to entrain with each other, into ever-larger units, up to the size scale of quantum and atomic units. -This meant quantum units could retain the ability to interact, not inertially, but vibrationally, with ether units, all around them, in the ether matrix. (When the universe's earliest elemental ether units had initially formed, after oscillational fatigue had induced neighboring oscillating units to "fall toward" each other, forming "Yin and Yang" paired units, it enabled further combinations, into still- larger units, where the matching vibrations of, for example, similarly-paired "Yin Yang" units, combined still further. -This kind of process would then serve as a template for the formation of all larger units.
Quantum units including photons were all formed in this way through entrainments of "building block" ether units. -Whenever I read about "discovery of a new kind of particle" at an accelerator/collider, my reaction is "So what?" The important question should instead be, What units led to the formation of atoms, naturally (not under artificial conditions), during the beginning of our universe.

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Message 307 of 589 (888928)
10-24-2021 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials.-
So, still no evidence, just sciency sounding words boiling over in your mind. Bare-bone essentials is the math and supporting evidence.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 308 of 589 (888930)
10-24-2021 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
quote:
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials…
It’s ignorant nonsense. I have no idea why a supposedly intelligent man would waste his time making it up - still less make a fool of himself by repeatedly making the same silly mistaken.
Yet you do. Too bad. But not worth anybody’s time - even yours.

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AZPaul3
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Message 309 of 589 (888931)
10-24-2021 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Real Dismissal
Michelson-Morley's (MMX) dismissal of "any and all types of" ether was erroneous, ...
[rant=mild]
What is erroneous is your understanding and I wish you and all the other high-school-science crowd would stop with this slop. MMX showed a null result. It dismissed nothing.
[/rant]
As for the rest of your speculation I'm thinking you need a logo, an emblem that concisely represents your thoughts. Something you could put on t-shirts and coffee mugs. With this I think you'll be ready to take this further into the internet.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 310 of 589 (888933)
10-24-2021 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by AZPaul3
10-24-2021 1:57 PM


Re: Real Dismissal
I'm thinking you need a logo, an emblem that concisely represents your thoughts.
Would that be an icon for the empty set?

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 311 of 589 (888934)
10-24-2021 3:52 PM
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10-24-2021 3:50 PM


Re: Real Dismissal
A very low cost white on white t-shirt.

My Website: My Website

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Message 312 of 589 (888935)
10-24-2021 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
The problem with your theory is that ultra-rarified elemental units vibrate into larger-scale quanta while engaged in alignments, which is not to say that the ether matrix aligns with entrainments of inertial interactions. Qualified oscillational fatigue raises a number of questions about neighboring combinations of larger units into a building block template. These flaws are, of course, fatal.
--Percy

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Message 313 of 589 (888943)
10-25-2021 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 311 by jar
10-24-2021 3:52 PM


Re: Real Dismissal
Johnny Carson once had a funny joke about fill-in bandleader Tommy Newsom.
He quipped, "Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!"

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Message 314 of 589 (888949)
10-25-2021 12:02 PM
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10-25-2021 10:15 AM


Re: Real Dismissal
Tommy is so dull he dyes all his Easter Eggs white!
That's not easy to do with brown eggs.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 315 of 589 (888951)
10-25-2021 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
Michael MD writes:
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials.-
Kurt Vonnegut had a recurring character named Kilgore Trout in several of his books. He was often just mentioned as "a science fiction writer who once wrote a story about an ether-based creation model" (or some similar premise). Vonnegut never attempted to fill out those ideas; they were just ideas.
There are stories that mention ideas and then there are fleshed-out ideas and then there are scientific theories.
You are Kilgore Trout.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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