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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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From various news reports it looks like there are significant additional interest and penalties, with lots of different amounts reported.
I find myself continuously astonished at the level, quantity, sheer volume of crimes committed by Trump that until now have had almost no consequences. Considering what an incompetent manager he has demonstrated himself to be, on the global stage, he's been an amazingly successful crook, until now. And now, he's too old to get the punishment he truly deserves.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
It is a requirement. Amount of judgment plus 9% interest. He could get a bond, but who would guarantee it? Also, he will need 10-20% to pay the bondholder. Then again maybe someone will invest $1B in his company.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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Ooooh, right by the short hairs!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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Or, maybe Rudi can help...
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Taq Member Posts: 10274 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Tanypteryx writes: I find myself continuously astonished at the level, quantity, sheer volume of crimes committed by Trump that until now have had almost no consequences. The nail that sticks out gets hammered. Commentators were saying this very thing when he ran for pres in 2016. All he was doing was putting a spotlight on his finances and opening himself up to prosecution.
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Phat Member Posts: 18584 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.4 |
Theo writes: He could get a bond, but who would guarantee it? Whats scary is that one name pops to mind that could pay it...Putin. Just another crimeat that point. Though I have no evidence, I suspect that Putin helped Trump in the past and has dirt on him. They would have to get real slick in order to pull that one off. World War III would be a likely consequence if the Czar helped him.(and assuming he won the election)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5 |
The nail that sticks out gets hammered. Commentators were saying this very thing when he ran for pres in 2016. All he was doing was putting a spotlight on his finances and opening himself up to prosecution. Yep, and he is a prosecutor's dream, in one sense, he just can't keep his mouth shut, he just HAS to boast about his crimes. He also seems oddly unaware that all his public utterances have been recorded and documented and can be used to prosecute him. He seems to think that his financial activities are way too complex to analyze let alone follow the money trail of his crimes. After the 2016 election, well before he took office there was already a huge list of Trump's financial conflicts of interest and it sure looks like he violated them all and created a bunch more that hadn't been predicted. I wonder how much cash he had to pay up front to get the lawyers to defend him in this last year. Based on the things we've been able to watch in their courtroom behavior, they really do seem like the bottom of the barrel. I would never hire one of them for myself, no matter how cheap they were or how much money I had. These guys really do give lawyers a bad name! Does anyone know where we can order some cheap tennyrunners decorated with spray paint, glitter, and duct tape?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Taq Member Posts: 10274 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
Phat writes: Whats scary is that one name pops to mind that could pay it...Putin. Just another crimeat that point. Though I have no evidence, I suspect that Putin helped Trump in the past and has dirt on him. At least for legal fees, Trump is using PAC money. You would think that a political movement that speaks out against the elites wouldn't have poor people donating to a billionaire, but here we are. Cognitive dissonance doesn't seem to be a feature of MAGA.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17893 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
It’s hard to say how much of it is good lawyers shunning Trump (because that’s good sense) and how much of it is that he wants his lawyers to act like Habba - and a good lawyer wouldn’t.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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Yeah, smart lawyer can see that money will never be enough to feel good about themselves after they tanked their career for Trump. Habba slipped my memory as her name, so I googled Habba and got:
quote: Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Percy Member Posts: 22892 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Tanypteryx writes: I wonder how much cash he had to pay up front to get the lawyers to defend him in this last year. Based on the things we've been able to watch in their courtroom behavior, they really do seem like the bottom of the barrel. I would never hire one of them for myself, no matter how cheap they were or how much money I had. These guys really do give lawyers a bad name! I can't give you a name, but I recently read about one of his lead lawyers who demanded $3 million up front because of Trump's history of not paying his bills. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9488 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Chris Kise who was one of the fine lawyers at the recent fraud trial.
Save America PAC pays $3 million to Trump lawyer | CNN Politics What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10274 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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Tanypteryx writes: Yeah, smart lawyer can see that money will never be enough to feel good about themselves after they tanked their career for Trump. As long as the lawyers stick to the law, I don't think any lawyer working for Trump should be looked down on. As a matter of basic rights, every defendant deserves the best defense they can get. To their credit, many high-ranking law offices take on the most heinous defendants in murder trials, and they often do it pro-bono in the name of fair justice. It's the lawyers that turn into propogandists that end up with egg on their face.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.5
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As long as the lawyers stick to the law, I don't think any lawyer working for Trump should be looked down on. This is true. The problem for Trump is finding attorneys who want to associate with him enough to represent him.
As a matter of basic rights, every defendant deserves the best defense they can get. Also true, but even crappy attorneys, recognize that Trump cannot be defended, only represented. Trump is a criminal, we have watched him repeatedly commit crimes, he thumbed his nose at all of us, because he thought he was untouchable, I hope he's wrong! What kind of fucking idiot insults multiple judges on national television right outside the judge's courtroom? On a side note, I read that the interest on Trump's fines is a couple hundred grand per DAY! Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq Why should anyone debate someone who doesn't know the subject? -- AZPaul3
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Taq Member Posts: 10274 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4
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Tanypteryx writes: The problem for Trump is finding attorneys who want to associate with him enough to represent him. There are two other issues. First, he is known for not paying his legal bills. Two, he is likely to sink his entire defense strategy by what he says at rallies or on social media. I also wouldn't be surprised if Trump demands his lawyers to break the law on his behalf.
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