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Stile Member (Idle past 400 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
dwise1 writes: Gens Una Sumus. We are one people. Why is that such a difficult concept for so many people? I don't know. Varying levels of intellect and cultural upbringing due to the unguided, uncaring development of human evolution?-If you're looking for a vague, non-answer of an answer, anyway ![]()
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Why is that such a difficult concept for so many people? Because you are only one of us if you look like me, speak and act like me and believe like me otherwise you're one of "them" and them is not really people. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8729 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Serendipity.
Here from SciAm: Understanding Political Behavior quote: Acculturation. Breaking this subtle cycle is not easy.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation. |
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Because you are only one of us if you look like me, speak and act like me and believe like me... We Christians sometimes imagine that we are superior to lesser mortals who remain clueless as to the reality of God. You guys respond by asking for proof, which we don't have. One side believes that Without faith it is impossible to please God. The other side would assert that without evidence it is impossible to prove God. Thus we keep chit chatting and going around the maypole. I enjoy our discussions by and large, however. I'm just as human as you...and no better.![]() Edited by Phat, . When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat
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Stile Member (Idle past 400 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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Phat writes: I'm just as human as you...and no better. The world would certainly be a better place if only such a concept would catch on. It's almost as if old religions knew such an idea was a good thing, even. Which such lines as "Not of works, lest any man should boast."Perhaps this phrase should be expanded, instead of contracted. Don't contract it and focus on the specific works-vs-faith salvation. But expand on the '...lest any man should boast" idea. That is, understand that all humans are equal.Understand none of us is "any better" than any other of us... 'lest any man should boast.' Can certain people be smarter? Sure.Can certain people be stronger? Sure. Can certain people be better at any "works?" Sure. But, our essence of being human, having the right to pursue a safe, enjoyable life - we are all equal, and no one is "any better" at being granted such a right... "lest any man should boast." That's what it's talking about. Or, at least, that's the way I like to see it.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1801 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
CHRISTIANS DO NOT THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, WHO BROUGHT UP THIS IDIOCY? CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONE IDEOLOGY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET THAT TEACHES THE EQUALITY OF ALL HUMANITY. THAT'S HOW IT GOT INTO THE LAWS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND SPECIFICALLY INTO THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. YES WE BELIEVE THIS TEACHING IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES AMERICA THE BEST NATION ON EARTH. THAT IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE BEING BETTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. EVEN IF YOU ARE A LYING IDIOT YOU ARE EQUAL IN VALUE TO ANYONE ELSE THOUGH YOUR IDEOLOGY MAY BE ROTTEN AS IT CAN GET. AS FOR NATIONALISM, AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION THAT EVER EXISTED BECAUSE IT ENSHRINED THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN EQUALITY. ANY OTHER KIND OF NATIONALISM IS EVIL BECAUSE IT DOES CHOOSE A CLASS OVER OTHER CLASSES. ISLAM FOR INSTANCE. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE LEFT REJECTING THE ONLY TRUE NATIONALISM THERE IS AND ACTUALLY PUTTING MURDERING ISLAM ON A PLANE WITH US, EMBRACING MULTICULTURALISM INCLUDING SHARIA LAW, WHICH WILL ONLY DESTROY HUMAN EQUALITY. BUNCH OF IDIOTS BEYOND BELIEF.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5
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Critique Of An Online Sermonette:
Rom 12:3-4 writes: For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. NKJV CHRISTIANITY IS THE ONE IDEOLOGY IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET THAT TEACHES THE EQUALITY OF ALL HUMANITY. THAT'S HOW IT GOT INTO THE LAWS OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION AND SPECIFICALLY INTO THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.
1 Peter 5:5-7 writes: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble." 6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you. NKJV Phil 2:2-4 writes: 3 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. 4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others. NKJV AS FOR NATIONALISM, AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION THAT EVER EXISTED BECAUSE IT ENSHRINED THE CONCEPT OF HUMAN EQUALITY. ANY OTHER KIND OF NATIONALISM IS EVIL BECAUSE IT DOES CHOOSE A CLASS OVER OTHER CLASSES. ISLAM FOR INSTANCE. BUT NOW WE HAVE THE LEFT REJECTING THE ONLY TRUE NATIONALISM THERE IS AND ACTUALLY PUTS MURDERING ISLAM ON A PLANE WITH US. BUNCH OF IDIOTS BEYOND BELIEF.. Matt 5:21-23 writes: "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother,'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says,'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. NKJV Edited by Phat, : added emphasis based on studying the actual book rather than listening to Fox NewsChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1801 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not worried, Phat, my anger has a righteous cause even if I overdo it and God punishes me for it. But your judgmental attitude ought to give you pause, you want me to quote that one you self-righteous prig? You should be warning the Leftists here. Why not, hm? Why do you ignore their insults against me and lecture me, hm? You've got something twisted up in your head.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Reexamined in light of PaulK's new topic.
PK writes: Daniel 2 presents a sequence of four empires, the last of which will be defeated and destroyed by an eternal kingdom set up by God, which will fill the entire Earth. The fourth is commonly interpreted as the Roman Empire (despite the other chapters of Daniel pointing elsewhere). However, the Roman Empire is no more, it’s end usually identified as the fall of Constantinople in the mid-15th Century. The eternal kingdom is nowhere in sight. Arguably the Turks came closest, but I hardly think that Christians would accept that identification. Some prophecy buffs argue for a New Roman Empire but it is somewhat of a stretch to count it as the same Empire when there is no real continuity - and what of the other empires of history ? Why are none of those counted ? But if we generously accept that highly strained reading we still need a New Roman Empire and there is no sign of that since Mussolini. Many see a parallel between the United States and the Roman Empire, though a bit of a stretch and by no means conclusive. I will grant that believers see what they want to see, though I might assert that *we* believe that some Christians are actually guided by the Holy Spirit (God Himself). I will say that this group is a definite minority among Christians. Cults are another story. Personally, I agree with the idea that the United States could be Mystery Babylon The Great mentioned in the book of Revelation.When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Did you get that from the Coming Great Epiphany book?
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy God alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat
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PaulK Member Posts: 18082 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The post you are replying to is about Daniel 2, not Revelation. If you want to actually address the points then do that. If you just want to go off on an irrelevant tangent do a General Reply or - better - don’t bother.
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PaulK Member Posts: 18082 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It’s a little late to ask that, isn’t it? I did not waste my time with the book, so likely the quotes were obtained via the - now defunct - website. (And if you want to know why I considered the book a waste of time the quotes ARE the reason).
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Percy Member Posts: 23257 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Phat writes in Message 1749: *we* believe that some Christians are actually guided by the Holy Spirit (God Himself). I will say that this group is a definite minority among Christians. Some might say non-existent.
Cults are another story. Are they? I'll premptively reply that repeating yet again your religiously-based beliefs doesn't constitute any sort of evidence or proof. People of all religions do this and it isn't remotely empirical. --Percy
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