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ringo Member (Idle past 768 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'm suggesting that humanity would be better off without empty belief. For one thing, we could stop wasting money on crystal cathedrals and spend it on healthcare. Are you suggesting that IF Jesus existed and IFHe was to exist today, humanity would be better off were He an atheist? And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9662 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Phat writes: Are you suggesting that IF Jesus existed and IFHe was to exist today, humanity would be better off were He an atheist? Possibly the ultimate act of teenage rebellion, the son of god says he doesn't believe in his dad.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Tangle writes: So where does He think He came from? Possibly the ultimate act of teenage rebellion, the son of god says he doesn't believe in his dad.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
ringo writes: People should be able to spend their money on whatever they want. We don't need extreme socialists to form some consensus on what's best for all of us any more than we need extreme conservatives giving themselves tax cuts. I'm suggesting that humanity would be better off without empty belief. For one thing, we could stop wasting money on crystal cathedrals and spend it on healthcare. Maybe that's why I am a political moderate. I do agree that Jesus would want us to take care of each other, however. Even if he were an atheist. ![]() Add By Edit: Though I seriously doubt that He thinks Joseph is His Daddy. ![]() You likely could imagine a hypothetical ET coming to help out the Bronze Age. I suppose that to you, that makes more probable sense than the dogma. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Tangle Member Posts: 9662 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Phat writes: So where does He think He came from? Joseph and Mary I expect.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 768 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's a pretty conservative viewpoint.
People should be able to spend their money on whatever they want. Phat writes:
You're the only one who talks about "extreme socialism". We don't need extreme socialists to form some consensus on what's best for all of us... And we certainly do need a consensus on what's best for all of us. It's called "civilization", "society", etc.
Phat writes:
That's kinda the point. If you can't detect any water in the glass, it can't do you any good. For all intents and purposes, it is empty, so there's no use pretending it's full or even half-full. As far as empty belief goes, this whole atheism thing is more empty to me than anything the believers can churn out.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
What you expect and what I expect are likely two different scenarios, although you are a likable and knowledgeable chap. Have you ever seen the play, Hamilton? I like the music.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Phat writes:
People should be able to spend their money on whatever they want.ringo writes:
So what would the liberal viewpoint be? "People should be able to spend their money on what we want? That's a pretty conservative viewpoint.![]() ringo writes: How would such a consensus be drawn? Measured? Implemented?
And we certainly do need a consensus on what's best for all of us. ringo writes: The glass is a metaphor for _________? If you can't detect any water in the glass, it can't do you any good. The water is a metaphor for...? Comments? For all intents and purposes, it is empty ... Oh so you mean Belief? I suppose that metaphorically belief could be equated to water.Reread the Woman at the well. If you never thirst again, the glass cant very well be empty now can it? ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 768 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But of course you are required to pay your taxes. You are required to contribute to defense, policing, roads, schools, etc.
See, this is why I am a political moderate. Keywords: Should Be Able. Never Required. Phat writes:
Not when both parties are conservative.
The two-party system prevents excessive measures. Phat writes:
Democracy.
ringo writes:
How would such a consensus be drawn? Measured? Implemented? And we certainly do need a consensus on what's best for all of us. Phat writes:
It can if never thirsting again is an empty promise. Reread the Woman at the well. If you never thirst again, the glass cant very well be empty now can it?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
ringo writes: So what makes a promise empty? Lack of Evidence or Lack Of Belief? It can if never thirsting again is an empty promise.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 768 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You can answer that for yourself. Even if you believe fervently in leprechauns, isn't the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow still an empty promise? And why? Isn't it because there's no evidence for leprechauns? So what makes a promise empty? Lack of Evidence or Lack Of Belief?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
ringo writes: Think about it. Even if God did not exist, we all know that rainbows exist and that gold exists. I am now wise enough to know that gambling never brings gold. My hope is that my newest career as Thugpreacha You can answer that for yourself. Even if you believe fervently in leprechauns, isn't the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow still an empty promise? And why? Isn't it because there's no evidence for leprechauns? will perhaps lead to a piece of gold, if not an entire pot full. What's great about all of this is the fact that I have finally been able to overcome my gambling addiction. Even if I never made a dime off of my online character the experience is worth far more than gold, in my opinion. ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 768 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
And we know that there is no gold at the end of the rainbow. What's your point? Even if God did exist, we know He's not going to answer your prayers. Even if God did not exist, we all know that rainbows exist and that gold exists.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18740 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
ringo writes: This is where you and I respectfully disagree. *We* do not have a consensus on this point. What's your point? Even if God did exist, we know He's not going to answer your prayers.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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