Christianity and the End Times

So why can we not claim that the idea of multiverses is not simply made up?

Do you know what "ad hoc" means? Your ideas about God change to fit the circumstances. How is that similar to the universe creating its own complexity? If we could detect them, we could describe what we detected. If there's nothing we can detect, we can't have any confidence that there's anything there. You can't have a painting without the medium of paint. You can't have an idea without the medium of mind.If something exists as an idea, it IS defined.

But we can!Multiverse is a hypothesis - a 'made up' idea. It's an idea that has some good mathematical support, but it's still an idea waiting to be verified. When it's verified by whatever method we can, it'll become a scientific fact.

Depends.If there is an alien species on the other side of the galaxy we know nothing of it. We could never hope to define or describe such a thing ... yet.Does it exist? "For all practical purposes" ... no.But, to save the day, there is in the human consciousness the idea of alien creatures on the other side of the galaxy just the fine details aren't filled in all that well.Before us humans and our new-fangled big abstract-enabled brains there were dinos. She had ideas too. The ideas in her head were I want to eat it or I want to fuck it or I want to run away from it. Not much else. It took the human cogitation to say "the angle of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of other three sides."Unless and until whatever it is comes crashing into our notice directly or through our own creativity or leaves breadcrumbs on the sidewalk for us to follow, an idea doesn't come into being.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Deserves it's own thread...Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

"Life began by leaching life from rocks (pre-existing life) makes no sense. It doesn't address the origins of life. And evolution cannot account for such extreme diversity of species, nor can it explain complex symbiosis, irreducible complexity, or the incredible appearance of design.All science disciplines have their origins in philosophy. Evolutionists are not able to separate themselves from philosophy.Evolution is the pyrite of philosophy.I haven't witnessed (nor have the fossils) life evolving over billions of years. No one has witnessed this. What we witness (observe) is kind producing kind.This is observable science. It is replicated century after century. Anything contrary to our observations is pyrite.You mention "mixing" over billions of years as though you"re describing a cooking recipe.
However, animals of different kinds do not mixTo say that they do requires a leap of faith. And faith is a religion. And according to many, religion has no place in science. It doesn't even belong in school textbooks.

This doesn't seem like a reply relevant to me. Thank god.

I intended to reply to Ringo, but was distracted when my son and grandkids came over. However, my reply applies to all evolutionists.After all, evolutionists really do believe that the frog turned into a princess, even if it did take billions of years.

Wait....we are 13.7 billion years old? One would think that the basic building blocks of life might be around, but hardly anything human or even this planet.If God existed before human imagination, He alone was around 13.7 billion years ago. If not, don't attempt to extrapolate your own imagination as to the natural reality 13.7 billion years ago with you actually being there. It makes humans able to imagine a universe that they can't imagine God in. Imagination can only take us so far. I would guess that the first thing needed would be words of expression. Thus the beginning of our speculation originates through words. Oh, wait...In The Beginning, was The Word... So Who spoke Whom into existence?Did we imagine God? (Critics will ask "which one" )OR did God imagine/create us? The jury has not arrived at a definite verdict.

So again the question. Did this idea create/imagine us before we defined it?

You wouldn't have any way of knowing, would you? If the real "creator" was completely different from the one that you've made up, you wouldn't know it, would you? If the real creator had died on day eight, you wouldn't know it, would you?So, if you can't know anything about any supposed creator that imagined us, what difference does it make whether he imagined us or not?

So your idea is that even if a God existed, you assume that He expects you to do it yourself and that its best just to leave Him alone.. Got it.

His expectations don't even enter into it. The fact is that he isn't doing it, so we have to do it ourselves if we want it done. Him and the leprechauns. Yup. Might as well leave him alone. Anything else is just wasted effort.

So is a prayer wasted effort? Then why is one of His two major commandments to love Him with our whole being?

Not much point praying to something that isn't there is there? Even if you'd rather believe that he does exist, we know that he doesn't answer prayers so there doesn't seem a lot of point in it.On the other hand, some people seem to get comfort out of it. Perhaps it makes them feel less helpless?