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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
No, I'm not calling anyone stu*pid Of course you are. Still no evidence, just muddled thinking and a fantasy that will never convince anyone because you can't make sense of it yourself. "It must be an illusion." Grow up.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your operative word here is "imaginary", but although you repeatedly assert this you have been completely unsuccessful in demonstrating it. You have no evidence. But there is no evidence whatever that any such landscapes ever actually existed, and that's a fact for which I shouldn't have to produce any further evidence than that observation. There are no such landscapes or environments, there is ONLY A STACK OF ROCKS. PERIOD. I haven't been unsuccessful in demonstrating THAT -- it doesn't need any demonstration. If you want to call it speculation or theory, OK, because those are just mental concepts too. The point is these landscapes exist ONLY in the brains of geologists and other science types, nowhere in reality. The rocks exist in reality, but not the supposed environments or the time periods. What I haven't been able to demonstrate is how there are inevitable problems with trying to get an imaginary landscape into a real rock. That is what this thread is about, and if I could demonstrate that it would show that imaginary is the correct term for the landscapes, not theoretical. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You really ought to stay out of a discussion you don't understand.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Of course, there is a huge amount of evidence - river channels with associated deposits, eroded surfaces, trace fossils - and in marine environments coral reefs.
quote: The evidence is there to say otherwise. The fact that you make dubious attempts to dismiss it rather imdicates that you know it is there.
quote: It is rather telling that you haven't been able to think of any reasonable objections. And equally telling that you try to blame us for your failure. On the other hand we really do have good evidence which you are reduced to calling an illusion even though that claim makes no sense at all.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
You really ought to stay out of a discussion you don't understand. I know BS when I see it. So still no evidence and still no coherent description of your imaginary problems for geology. If you can't refute the obvious conclusion that geological processes have taken hundreds of millions of years, with actual evidence, you will never convince anyone that you have found a flaw in the science that everyone else studying geology and a bunch of other sciences missed. If you actually knew what you are talking about you'd be pretty amazing.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: This is hardly an issue in the present discussion. It is, of course, relevant to discussions of the Biblical Flood. In the hands of Flood geologists it has gone from a simple flood that drowned everything (excepting those on the ark) to depositing massive amounts of sediment everywhere (except for some unidentified location, which somehow escapes) repeatedly uncovering and recovering at least some areas of land where large animals that somehow survived the catastrophe so far can roam - and even nest long enough for the eggs to hatch - and somehow created the order (or illusion of order if the idea made any sense) in the fossil record.
quote: Unfortunately your main argument is your main problem. When you attempt to think about the issue you start producing objections before you have even understood the subject. Unsurprisingly the objections are nonsensical and only show muddled thinking.
quote: I am sure that none of us have forgotten your usual retreat into nastiness and insult whenever your arguments are defeated. It really does. Itching to persuade us that you are right. It does however rather damage any claim you have to be a "Real Christian"
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
So then, you ARE talking about the flood myth.
And it DOES affect your interpretations.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm talking about the Flood only because somebody brought up points that have to be answered in terms of the Flood. Otherwise, no, that's not what this thread is about. Sure, I CAN talk about it when necessary, but no, that is not what this thread is about. The argument about how you get from a landscape to a big flat rock in the stratigraphic column has nothing to do with the Flood. In that argument I do my best to stick to what I understand standard Geology to say about how environments form, including marine environments, how sediments accumulate and lithify and all that.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No, I'm not calling anyone stu*pid, as I said. Edge's recent posts show that he can't think about things except in terms of standard Geology, that's what I said and that's what I meant. I don't know whether jar could if he tried, but everything he says is an assertion of the standard explanation for everything, quite as if he can't consider any other possible interpretation, and it may be that he can't. That's what I mean by a paradigm cramp. It's not a lack of intelligence at all, it's a habitual interpretive point of view that is set in concrete.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And it applies ONLY to specific conditions, transgressions and regressions which are a very limited set of conditions compared to all the other various things found in reality. It makes no sense to try to apply Walther's Law to aeolian samples or to varves or to intrusions and extrusions.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You keep making unsupported claims and truly idiotic assertions. For a leaf to be picked up and deposited by the Biblical Flood and environment where the leaf grew on a tree had to have existed at the time.
Further no one including you has EVER been able to provide a Biblical Flood model that explains the ordered biological samples that exist in reality. The conventional theory is supported by evidence, model, mechanism, process, procedure while all you have is fantasy.
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Quite a few posts yesterday, but just a short list today:
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As has been pointed out Walther's Law does explain what should be seen during periods of sea transgression and recession but what is actually seen in reality is far more complex and varied than simple sea transgression and regression so to claim that Walther's Law explains what is seen in reality is patently false.
What is seen but NOT explained by Walther's Law is marine sediment layering, varves, cross bedding, limestone and other biological rocks, the formation of sandstone, mudstone, shale, peat, coal, magma metamorphism, intrusions, extrusions, faulting, weathering, channels, biological fossils, fossil tracks, imprints, pillow lava, trapps, flood debris, glacial carving, unconformities, non-conformities, folding and almost everything actually found in reality.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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And yet nobody is able to understand you.
In most group dance classes, you rotate to different partners. My Lindy teacher once told us (from memory from about a decade ago):
quote: You're not just having problems with Tanpteryx, but you are having problems with everybody. That would mean that we are not the problem, but rather you are the problem. So what could you do to stop being the problem? I have a modest proposal. Work through an intermediary. Find someone, probably someone here, whom you can get to understand what you are trying to say. Then that somebody can post to us a coherent explanation of what you are trying to say, one that we might have some chance of finally understanding. And when we respond, then that person can discuss it with you and work with you to write the response. During this process, you should refrain from bypassing your intermediary and respond on your own, since that would only return the discussion into the state of confusion that you have created so far. Think it over. After more than 1000 messages, you are screaming about pulling your hair out from frustration, complaining, as you have repeatedly done in far too many topics in the past, that we are all too stupid to understand what you keep saying over and over again. Obviously there is something fundamentally wrong with your messages, something which makes them incomprehensible. You are the only person who is able to do anything about your messages, to resolve the problem that they repeatedly cause: the generation of confusion. So, you can either try to resolve the problem or you can continue to waste bandwidth by generating thousands more messages trying to deal with your terminal confusion. Your choice. Unless, of course, it is your intention to generate nothing but confusion -- confusion is the creationist's best tool for fighting against the truth. Consider implementing my proposal or something very much like it. You obviously need a translator. And, no, I am most decidedly not volunteering for that job.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've tried to use your proposal but I'm not coming up with a plan. Also I'm not confused, I'm waiting for Stile to get back to resume the topic.
I'd really appreciate your leaving out the personal comments. I can ignore you too if necessary. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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