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Author Topic:   The Geological Timescale is Fiction whose only reality is stacks of rock
New Cat's Eye
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Message 59 of 1257 (787960)
07-24-2016 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
07-24-2016 8:44 AM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
THOSE ARE ROCKS. Each rock slab covers the territory in which you believe its fossil contents once lived. Those fossilized creatures would have had no place to go when that "landscape" eventually disappeared. The only evidence of them is their fossilized corpses, in the very rock where they supposedly lived. When the livable conditions of that landscape that is now rock no longer existed and it was all returning to rock all the creatures would have had to have died. There would have been nothing left to evolve into the next time period with its own utterly ridiculous imaginary landscape. It would have to start all over again with every "time period." The physical situation you imagine is just plain impossible.
I think you're forgetting the compaction part of the lithification process. The flat layer of rock that you see today wasn't so flat and thin when it was on the surface in the past. It's been smashed down by all the new surfaces on top of it. All the normal surface conditions were there when it was on top, it just later got covered in more layers of stuff that compacted it down.
Yes, the creatures that were there at the time it was the surface would have been dead when it was turning into rock, as this would be happening much below the surface.
But there would be things left for the next time period, as they would be up on the surface in a normal environment instead of being buried far below the surface turning into rock.

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Message 266 of 1257 (788510)
08-01-2016 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
08-01-2016 11:26 AM


Re: Time-stratigraphy vs Litho-stratigraphy
despite the fact that most of them have been eroded away, they seem to have been originally just as straight and flat as the lower strata
A big part of the lithification process is compression. What you are seeing today is not what the layers looked like when they were originally layed down.
They have been compressed and that makes them look straighter and flatter than they originally were.

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Message 334 of 1257 (788765)
08-04-2016 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by Faith
08-04-2016 12:29 PM


Re: The Imaginary Time Period Landscapes
supposed to have existed on the site where the rock is now found.
No, not existed ON the rock. The landscapes, themselves, became the rock through the processes of sedimentation and lithification.

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Message 362 of 1257 (788833)
08-05-2016 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by Faith
08-05-2016 10:54 AM


Re: How we get from rock to landscape to rock, that's the question
No amount of compaction would change "all the normal surface conditions" of any surface on the earth now or ever into straight flat rock. Hills, valleys, riverbeds, lake basins, deep tree roots, no.
Not compaction alone, no. You need sedimentation first. But even then, the layers aren't so flat until after they are compacted.
You can't look at the flatness of the layers and think that when those layers were on the surface they were also as flat.
Same answer to your Message 266 where you say compression would have made the strata appear flatter.
I didn't mean that a mountain gets compacted. You got to have erosion and sedimentation, then later you get compaction.
All three of those processes increase flatness, so the flatness doesn't show what the layer looked like when it was on the surface before those processes.
Not unless the compressing weight was flat itself,
Actually no, it depends on how flat the layer underneath that it's being compressed into, not the one above it adding to the compression.
And when the compressive pressure approaches infinity, the flatness approaches perfection. The further down you go the flatter the layers will be.
But not if the sediment being compressed had any of the lumpiness of a normal surface of the earth.
That literally has nothing to do with it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 519 of 1257 (789201)
08-11-2016 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by Faith
08-11-2016 2:25 PM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
But I see no other possible theory myself and the Flood is a good fit, and I'm waiting for someone to suggest a third alternative. So far no show.
Asgara gave you one in Message 492:
quote:
Slartibartfast
You should've looked it up:
quote:
Slartibartfast is a Magrathean, and a designer of planets. His favourite part of the job is creating coastlines, the most notable of which are the fjords found on the coast of Norway on planet Earth, for which he won an award.

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Message 523 of 1257 (789209)
08-11-2016 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 521 by Faith
08-11-2016 4:43 PM


Re: misusing logic -- yes you are, jar
Option 1: It was a result of natural processes.
Alternative 1: The Flood did it.
Alternative 2: Slartibartfast did it.
Alternative 3: Satan made it look like that to trick you.
Alternative 4: Ancient aliens specifically designed it to look that way.
There, now you have three more alternatives.

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Message 565 of 1257 (789274)
08-12-2016 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Faith
08-12-2016 6:48 AM


Re: A helpful reminder for Fai
enormous slabs of rock BETWEEN WHICH these landscapes are postulated
No, the landscapes are not between the slabs of rock.
The landscapes, themselves, have become the slabs of rock.
The landscapes get eroded and lithified and turn into slabs of rock.
They do not occur between slabs of rock.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 572 of 1257 (789284)
08-12-2016 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 571 by Faith
08-12-2016 3:33 PM


The rock IS the former landscape, it didn't form BENEATH the landscape.
No, the rock isn't still the former landscape, the former landscape changed to become the rock. And it requires being beneath the surface.
The former landscape gets turned into rock after it is buried under additional landscapes through erosion and sedimentation.
The former landscapes get lithified because of the pressure on them from being buried under the landscapes on top of them that have been eroded and sedimented.
I might have made up that last word "sedimented", but I hope you get the point.

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Message 693 of 1257 (789570)
08-16-2016 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Faith
08-16-2016 11:30 AM


Re: It's not necessarily lack of knowledge
The questions you say show a lack of understanding are mostly my attempts to get at particular observations about the relation between the rocks and the landscapes we are discussing.
The problem for me, personally, is that I cannot tell the difference between you trying to fit geological theory into a flood scenario and you just not understanding the geological theory.
Like when you were talking about landscapes being on, or between, the rocks; is that you misunderstanding geological theory, or is that you trying to fit the theory into a flood model?

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