This Bathroom Law Confusion

Take that cute little 14-year old in Rrhain's message above. Do you think she doesn't know which bathroom is most appropriate for her?

She may be too young for the operations. She may still be physically male.And, frankly, it really doesn't matter what you consider her to be. The whole point is what she considers herself to be.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

When I was a girl not a lot of the other girls used the open urinals in the girl's room. Come to think of it, there weren't any open urinals in the girl's room. Come to think of it, I was never a girl.I should imagine a trans girl in the girl's room wouldn't be interested in the other girls. Like all the other girls there she is probably more interested in what's happening on the other side of the wall in the boy's room.

You mean like these men in women's clothing? What do you think a transwoman looks like? Again, just what do you think a transwoman looks like?This is EXACTLY what the Republicans in NC are talking about. Keeping these men out of the women's room.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

The problem is, Faith, there is a law. No, trans people don't need a law but they got one anyway that forces discrimination and subjects people to the most base humiliation.The whole bathroom controversy stems from the NC law that defines male and female as your ..."Biological sex. — The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person's birth certificate."Whether one presents as obvious female, has had the operations or not, the NC law says those "believable as women" (as you call them) are males and are required BY LAW to use only the men's room.And these folks ... ... are REQUIRED by law to use only the women's room.Do you understand what the problem is, Faith?The NC Bathroom Law is NOT intended for any other purpose than to discriminate against trans people because those Republican Christians in the legislature think trans identities are sick, disgusting and against god's purpose. Just like The Gay. The motivation has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual deviants molesting kids or some pervert getting off on watching the opposite sex pee in a public restroom. There are already laws against those.This is a backlash against losing the gay marriage fight and is their way of continuing the Christian fight against what they see as unholy sexual attitudes in this society. The bathroom laws are Christian fabrications and are purely discriminatory with the intent of being purely discriminatory. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Here's the other thing that isn't brought up in talking about these bathroom laws, Faith.If one of these fellas (born with the XX chromosome set) walks into your women's room with you, Faith ... ... you have no choice than to accept it. It is the requirement of the law and you have no grounds to object. You going to accept that?

Sorry, Love. My bad.

Saturday Night Live would call it Pat.

Apologies for the cut-n-paste but this is a powerful statement of the American ideal in human rights and dignity. It deserves to be left on its own.

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This action is about a great deal more than just bathrooms. This is about the dignity and respect we accord our fellow citizens and the laws that we, as a people and as a country, have enacted to protect them — indeed, to protect all of us. And it’s about the founding ideals that have led this country — haltingly but inexorably — in the direction of fairness, inclusion and equality for all Americans.

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This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation. We saw it in fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education. And we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry. That right, of course, is now recognized as a guarantee embedded in our Constitution, and in the wake of that historic triumph, we have seen bill after bill in state after state taking aim at the LGBT community. Some of these responses reflect a recognizably human fear of the unknown, and a discomfort with the uncertainty of change. But this is not a time to act out of fear. This is a time to summon our national virtues of inclusivity, diversity, compassion and open-mindedness. What we must not do — what we must never do — is turn on our neighbors, our family members, our fellow Americans, for something they cannot control, and deny what makes them human. This is why none of us can stand by when a state enters the business of legislating identity and insists that a person pretend to be something they are not, or invents a problem that doesn’t exist as a pretext for discrimination and harassment

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Let me also speak directly to the transgender community itself. Some of you have lived freely for decades. Others of you are still wondering how you can possibly live the lives you were born to lead. But no matter how isolated or scared you may feel today, the Department of Justice and the entire Obama Administration wants you to know that we see you; we stand with you; and we will do everything we can to protect you going forward. Please know that history is on your side. This country was founded on a promise of equal rights for all, and we have always managed to move closer to that promise, little by little, one day at a time. It may not be easy — but we’ll get there together.

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--Loretta Lynch, Attorney General of the United States Full text of her statement.Edited by AZPaul3, : source