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New Cat's Eye
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Message 89 of 578 (744159)
12-08-2014 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
12-08-2014 3:12 PM


It isn't just black guys.
Not a single person on this planet has said that its just the black guys...
Why are you downplaying the racism so much?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 94 of 578 (744164)
12-08-2014 3:31 PM
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12-08-2014 3:28 PM


Was that response supposed to mean something to me?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 104 of 578 (744174)
12-08-2014 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Jon
12-08-2014 3:35 PM


I'm not shouting racism, nor am I out to prove it.
I'm curious why Faith is downplaying the racism.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 107 of 578 (744177)
12-08-2014 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
12-08-2014 4:06 PM


Downplaying the racism?
Yeah: "My brother is white and he got beat up by cops too. See, it isn't just the blacks..."
What is the point of bringing up cops beating up a white person if it wasn't to downplay the perceived racism of cops beating up black people?
So, why are you downplaying the racism?
What's the point?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 111 of 578 (744183)
12-08-2014 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
12-08-2014 4:22 PM


because the implication seems to be that white cops only mistreat black guys.
Really? What gave you that impression?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 114 of 578 (744189)
12-08-2014 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
12-08-2014 5:09 PM


You're not making any sense.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 123 of 578 (744239)
12-09-2014 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Faith
12-08-2014 6:02 PM


However this thread is geared to the question of racism because that was a focus of the OP and because these recent cases in which a black guy was killed are being treated as caused by racism, although there really isn't clear evidence for that. Or the possible evidence is muddied up by other factors.
Hey, that's you downplaying the racism again.
We don't know if the cop(s) was/were racist or not, but you're already leaning towards the side that they aren't.
Why is that?
It doesn't help when some come on shouting "racism" when there are other reasonable explanations, and then they start calling me a racist when I try to point that out.
In which message were you called a racist?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 129 of 578 (744272)
12-09-2014 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Jon
12-09-2014 1:34 PM


That's not downplaying anything. That's just holding off on making a conclusion until all the facts are in.
Yeah right. She's been downplaying the racism since the first sentence in her first post:
quote:
In fact all the recent cases of supposed racism in the deaths of blacks by white cops aren't racism.
further:
quote:
The idea that white cops go into black neighborhoods with racist motives in this day and age is ridiculous.
quote:
Well, I've been watching a bunch of the different videos of the Eric Garner incident at You Tube and my overall impression after all that is that the cops acted with undue force and I have no idea why they felt that necessary. Racism probably not, but overreaction for sure.
quote:
The statistics might tell you that there is a problem when white cops confront blacks in their community when they've committed a crime, but it wouldn't show racism on the part of the whites any more than it could show it on the part of the blacks.
.
And if it is downplaying, then there's certainly nothing wrong with it, and you should stop using the accusations as personal attacks to make your opponent look bad.
I'm curious.
Why is her initial reaction to downplay the racism?
She doesn't have a dog in this fight, what's the point?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 131 of 578 (744275)
12-09-2014 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Tempe 12ft Chicken
12-09-2014 12:52 PM


What about the situation at Cliven Bundy's ranch, when several guns were pointed in the direction of law enforcement officials?
The cops aren't going to attack when they have a chance at losing.
They're all about safety so they only shoot at unarmed people.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 132 of 578 (744276)
12-09-2014 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by RAZD
12-09-2014 2:17 PM


Re: systemic subconcious racial bias rather than overt racism.
I'm surprised how well that map correlates with the population:

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 143 of 578 (744301)
12-09-2014 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Faith
12-09-2014 4:40 PM


Then of course Dr. A and to some extent Cat Sci seemed to want to hang some kind of accusation on me anyway,
Ah, so the whole problem is your reading comprehension.
I have no desire to hang some kind of accusation on you.
I asked you honest questions.
You're immediate reaction to talking about white cops killing black people is to deny the racism.
I was just curious why you thought that way.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 146 of 578 (744306)
12-09-2014 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Faith
12-09-2014 5:26 PM


Everybody has a non-zero amount of racism in them. Xenophobia is just human nature.
I was curious why your initial response in a discussion about white cops killing black people was to deny the racism.
We don't know if they cops were racist or not, but you're first response was that they were not.
I'm still curious why you react that way?
ABE:
I'm accused of "downplaying the racism" rather than making the case that there is no evidence of racism. Racism is assumed in this statement.
Why?
As the test in the OP shows, people are biased even when they don't know it.
Everybody has some amount of racism.
But your reaction is to deny it. Why?
Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 179 of 578 (744361)
12-10-2014 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Faith
12-09-2014 5:51 PM


ANY kind of racism, hidden or overt, has NOT BEEN SHOWN TO BE A FACTOR in any of the cases discussed.
Short of the guy announcing that he is performing a racist act, how would we go about showing underlying racism in an individual case like these? Isn't that impossible?
Haven't you already admitted in this thread that it cannot be done?
BUT IF YOU CARE ABOUT EVIDENCE, THERE IS NONE THAT RACISM HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THESE CASES.
You can't really show evidence of racism in an individual case.
And the aggregate data won't apply to individual cases either.
You know this.
You're only calling for evidence because you know it doesn't exist, but I guess that's par for course as far as your honesty goes.
Yes, that was based on already knowing something about the cases and the evidence against racism, which I then went on to argue. It was why I joined the thread, BECAUSE I knew that the accusations of racism that were behind all the rioting were based on lies about how the cops acted.
I guess that's as close to an answer to why you were downplaying the racism as I'll get.
Naa, like Cat Sci we just KNOW it was racism, we just KNOW the guy acted out of line, who cares about evidence, lynch him lynch him lynch him.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. I said nothing like that at all, and you just added all that in from your own mind.
What I explicitly said was that we don't know if the cops were racist or not.
Please don't lie about what I said.
and Cat Sci accused me of "downplaying the racism" as if racism was indisputably involved.
You're clearly downplaying the racism.
You have been since the first sentence you typed in this thread.
But I think I'm beginning to understand why, now, so I don't really care about all the other crap you're making up.

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Message 185 of 578 (744387)
12-10-2014 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
12-10-2014 2:38 PM


If you can't demonstrate racism, which you admit, how can you let yourself go on assuming there is racism?
Because everyone has a non-zero amount of racism in them, it is therefore impossible for there to be absolutely no racism involved whatsoever.
However, as I explicitly stated, we don't know how much racism impacted the cops actions.
So, we do not know if racism was a contributing factor or not.
But that didn't stop you from claiming that it wasn't.
You claiming that it wasn't was what I was questioning.
I never said that the cop was racist.
And although it sounds like I was imputing the lynch him statement to you I just meant it's the logical outcome of that position you were defending
No, its not. Your logic is bad.
There is no way to prove racism was involved in any of this,
I knew you didn't actually care about calling for evidence. It was dishonest for you to act like you did.
it may very well not have been, but that doesn't stop people from screaming that it's racism, getting a cop fired for unprovable racism and burning things down.
Sure, people are idiots and assholes.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 187 of 578 (744395)
12-10-2014 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
12-10-2014 3:38 PM


which I then amended to No evidence of racism because that's really the point.
And that is a hollow point because the evidence you are calling for cannot exist.
But you already knew that before you made the point.
So what's the point, really?

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