Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

Didn't Eve deceive Adam? I think so. My wife thinks differently.My wife's take on the story is that Adam was actually present when the snake was talking to Eve, and that Adam was directly charged by God with avoiding the fruit. Adam should have hit the snake on the head with a shovel as soon as the snake opposed God's word.My own view is that the whole story is an ancient explanation for why men and women have exactly the relative status they had back in the author's day. Eve was punished first because she disobeyed God first. As I tell my wife, we know Eve knew and understood God's rule because she recited it to the snake.Adam in turn did what Eve told him for pretty much the reasons you can imagine. I don't think there is any point insisting that there was no hanky-panky going on before the snake incident. When God punishes Eve there is no indication that childbirth wss something new. Multiplied pain was what was new.

The serpent talked and was 'subtil'. But there is no evidence that it was more cunning than any man. What was so super about the serpent as to make him irresistible.

That's not correct. Eve knew the commandment, but the snake told her that fruit had an a positive affect. It turns out that the snake was actually telling the truth anyway.After hearing both the snake and God's word, Eve chose to take the snakes advice. And quite obviously Eve's act was not forgiven. What gives you the idea that it was? Your quote simply says that Eve's sin was lessor and not that it was non-existent or forgiven.And in the overall scheme of things, Adam suffering might be considered more onerous by some measures. His future life was to be filled with daily toil. Birthing pain is surely great; my wife tells me that men cannot handle it and would never have more than one child if they had to endure it. But such pain is not faced everyday. As for Eve's subordinance, how does it compare to the pre-punishment state?ABE:I suggest that you re-read the quoted verse in Timothy. What's going on is that the speaker is justifying treating women as second class citizens because of Eve's role in the garden incident.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

During the serpent incident, Eve wasn't very much help to Adam was she? No. But you accomplish that disagreement only by not taking into account Adam's punishment. You never even mentioned it in your discussion.

So according to this argument, Adam did the right thing. Why are you complaining about his lack of punishment. If you are going to complain about who received the greater punishment, you cannot avoid talking about what happened to Adam.ABE:Let's discuss Eve's slavery. The Bible tells us that Eve was subservient to Adam, but what was her lot? To cook and clean? Adam could not make her toil in the fields as that was Adam's punishment. Exactly what do you feel was Eve's lot in life. If you want to convince that it was worse than Adams let's hear some specifics about them both.end ABEThis thread is pretty much like all of your threads. Most of the discussion is spent pointing out the flaws in your premises, and pointing out the portions of the references you've misread. Were they in fact never suppose to reproduce? Not correct? I think it would be pretty easy to show that Genesis talks about a human race before we even get to the serpent story. 1:28 is a place to start. In fact did we not deal with this in one of your previous threads? You claimed that Adam and Eve were commanded to be fruitful before they knew how. Assuming they actually did know how makes more sense and it avoids the silly argument you make here.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Surely you are simply taking poetic language literally. Too dumb not to know that they were naked? Really? Or perhaps, since clothes had not been invented the issue was merely that they were unashamed of their bodies. And likely with good reason. Their bodies were allegedly perfect images of their creator.You of course are free to read as you will. But having done so, don't expect that the writers owe you any explanation for allowing you to misread.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Edited by NoNukes, : Their vs there

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