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Straggler
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Message 19 of 40 (733975)
07-23-2014 2:22 PM
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07-23-2014 12:34 PM


CS writes:
Now, from an evolutionary perspective: Why do humans have the canines that they do?
The same ancestral reasons that gorillas do?

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Straggler
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Message 23 of 40 (733991)
07-23-2014 9:24 PM
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07-23-2014 3:24 PM


Right. But, like gorillas, the fact that our ancestors did doesnt mean we need to now. Having canines (esp the rather pathetic ones we have) is an evolutionary hangover rather than a justification in itself.
I eat meat. I am just not convinced that "I have canines" is a particularly relevant argument. Gorillas have canines too and dont eat meat.

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Message 32 of 40 (734016)
07-24-2014 12:36 PM
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07-24-2014 10:34 AM


We have canines for the same reason gorillas and hippos do. Probably because our ancestors used them to eat raw meat off of carcasses.
Personally the most use my canines get is when I'm chomping bits out of apples.
Seriously - If we filed down your canines would it have any effect at all on your diet? Do you really need canines to eat burgers, chicken drumsticks or even steaks? That we cook our meat makes our canine teeth pretty superfluous to our ability to eat meat.
So what is your point here?
You have canines....therefore what?

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Straggler
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Message 40 of 40 (734076)
07-25-2014 6:31 AM
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07-25-2014 4:44 AM


Heathen writes:
But the (shortened) list of herbivores with canines i gave shows that canines are not *only* used for tearing meat.
I agree. But did canines originate for the purpose of eating meat? That they have subsequently been commandeered for other uses is indisputable.
H writes:
Were our distant ancestors meat eaters? and before them? were they foragers? did they have canines?
My understanding is that the earliest mammals were omnivorous. Plants, insects and small lizards were their diet. I don't know when the first canines emerged however.

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