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New Cat's Eye
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Message 8 of 40 (733876)
07-22-2014 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Heathen
07-22-2014 10:12 AM


If I'm not supposed to eat meat, then why do I have canine teeth?

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Message 17 of 40 (733966)
07-23-2014 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Heathen
07-23-2014 3:25 AM


I'm not trying to tell you you should be veggie, I don't give a shit what YOU eat.
I'm questioning the biblical literalists about the bible's teachings.
First off, you asked about "Christians" and not "biblical literalists", but anyways, my question was from a Christain standpoint: Why did God give us canines if he didn't want us eating meat?
But the idea that we are born carnivores is nonsense.
We and our ancestors clearly are/were omnivores.
in the context of the biblical creation myth, pre fall, there was no death. therefore no meat was eaten,
As a Christian, I would say that the creation myth never actually happened, so your argument fails on that part.
this is all post-"fall" though,
The original, "perfect" creation had no meat, (at least the meat was still attached to the bones and walking around)
isn't that what Christians should be aspiring to? a pre-fall state of perfection?
From a Biblical Literist perspective, I would ask why you think that we should aspire for the pre-fallen state?
-Not only do most mammals (with the exception of rodents, rabbits, and pikas), including herbivores, have canine teeth; the largest canine teeth of any land mammal belong to a true herbivore: the hippopotamus.
If I was a hippo asking my question, then the answer would be: You have those large canines for fighting.
And you gave the reasons for the other herbavore species having their canines.
Now, from an evolutionary perspective: Why do humans have the canines that they do?

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Message 20 of 40 (733978)
07-23-2014 3:24 PM
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07-23-2014 2:22 PM


The same ancestral reasons that gorillas do?
What, because our ancestors ate meat?

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Message 27 of 40 (734002)
07-24-2014 10:28 AM
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07-24-2014 1:59 AM


From a Biblical Literist perspective, I would ask why you think that we should aspire for the pre-fallen state?
because the pre fall world was supposedly god's perfect creation. god's initial intention before us pesky humans (or at least Adam and Eve) ruined it all.
Where in the Biblical Literalist narrative does it ever say that we should go backwards like that? Its all about moving forward to the New Kingdom in the future.

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Message 28 of 40 (734003)
07-24-2014 10:34 AM
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07-23-2014 9:24 PM


I'm not making the argument that because we have canines then we must be meat eaters. I'm asking the question that if our canines aren't there because of eating meat, then why are they there?
Its a straight forward question. Like if it was this way: if hippos don't eat meat, then why do they have such big canines?
Then the answer would be that hippos have the canines they do because they use them for fighting.
Same with gorillas.
We don't use ours for fighting. So why did we evolve the canines that we did?
Was diet the biggest contributing factor? Don't we have a kind of "all around" set of teeth? Didn't we evolve from and continue to be omnivores?
If our canines aren't for eating meat, then what are they for?
Nothing? Just a by-product? Or do they serve a purpose?

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Message 30 of 40 (734010)
07-24-2014 12:08 PM
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07-24-2014 11:49 AM


Evolution doesn't do things for a reason.
No, but things evolve because of reasons. The giraffe didn't get its long neck from a lottery.
How the teeth happened to get that way is another question.
That's the question I'm asking...
Why are they the way they are?
And further, how much does eating meat have to do with it?

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Message 33 of 40 (734017)
07-24-2014 12:40 PM
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07-24-2014 12:18 PM


Well I found this, but I haven't read through it yet. Looks interesting.
Just a moment...

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Message 34 of 40 (734018)
07-24-2014 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Straggler
07-24-2014 12:36 PM


So what is your point here?
To learn something by asking questions. It didn't work.
I'll just keep Googling, thanks anyways.

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