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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Came across this article today:
BBC - 404: Not Found I found it interesting as I have been veggie for about 22 years now. Although there is no explicit commandment to abstain from meat, do christians not have a duty to ensure there is no suffering of animals which are God's creation,
David Grumett, lecturer in Christian Ethics at the University of Edinburgh writes: The animal should be raised well. It should be acknowledged in how they are treated - they are gifts from God. And when they are killed, that should be done with the absolute minimum pain and suffering possible. but another view held is
Dr. Corinne Painter from Washtenaw Community College writes: Christians have a moral duty to eat food that is not the result of the undue suffering, unjust treatment, or human-induced premature death of sentient beings, who are clearly interested in avoiding suffering and in preserving their lives, which God explicitly stated are valuable and good I would agree with the point made that as per genesis, the original creation was a vegetarian society (as there was no death).
Prof Linzey writes: The important point is that the original diet given by the Creator is vegetarian. Although we live in a world that is fallen and alienated, we should try to at least approximate God's will by going veggie So shouldn't Xians at least try to achieve God's original plan?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
but after the Flood God specifically told Noah that they should now eat meat ok...
there is also no command against going vegetarian if you want to Thanks for the noah quote, but that seems a little contradictory to me
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
I'm not trying to tell you you should be veggie, I don't give a shit what YOU eat.
I'm questioning the biblical literalists about the bible's teachings. But in answer to your PRATT: (this is largely a cut and paste as this argumant has been done a million times.) -Not only do most mammals (with the exception of rodents, rabbits, and pikas), including herbivores, have canine teeth; the largest canine teeth of any land mammal belong to a true herbivore: the hippopotamus. -Camels are herbivores with an average lifespan of 40 years. They eat foliage, dry grasses and desert vegetation mostly thorny plants. Sharp canine teeth in both the upper and lower jaws enable them to crush woody plants for food. -The Javelina, or peccary, is a furry cousin of the pig. Their spear-like canine teeth are used to shred cactus pads, a primary source of nourishment. -the human anatomy resembles that of herbivorous animals (such as the gorilla and the elephant) more than that of carnivorous and omnivorous species. Our mouths’ openings are small; our teeth are not extremely sharp (even our canines); and our lips and tongues are muscular. Our jaws are not very stable (and would therefore be easy to dislocate in a battle with prey), but they are quite mobile and allow the side-to-side motion that facilitates the crushing and grinding of plants. Our stomachs are only moderately acidic, The herbivore’s stomach also has a higher pH than the carnivore’s or omnivore’s, perhaps in part because plants ordinarily do not carry the dangerous bacteria associated with rotting flesh. Like herbivores and unlike carnivores and omnivores as well, we have long small intestines, enabling the digestion of complex carbohydrates, a process that begins in our mouths, where we, like the committed herbivores, have carbohydrate-digesting enzymes as well. Like I said, the purpose of this thread is not to preach vegetarianism, I am questioning what the biblical literalists view is.But the idea that we are born carnivores is nonsense.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
The idea that " the original creation was a vegetarian society (as there was no death)" is sheer nonsense.
in the context of the biblical creation myth, pre fall, there was no death. therefore no meat was eaten, Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
this is all post-"fall" though,
The original, "perfect" creation had no meat, (at least the meat was still attached to the bones and walking around) isn't that what Christians should be aspiring to? a pre-fall state of perfection?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
As a Christian, I would say that the creation myth never actually happened, so your argument fails on that part
*sigh*
From a Biblical Literist perspective, I would ask why you think that we should aspire for the pre-fallen state?
because the pre fall world was supposedly god's perfect creation. god's initial intention before us pesky humans (or at least Adam and Eve) ruined it all.
Now, from an evolutionary perspective: Why do humans have the canines that they do?
What those examples show is that having canines does not imply carniverous tendancies, so your implication earlier that we have canines because we evolved to be meat eaters is flawed. MY initial post has nothing to do with evolution, I was enquiring about the christian (yes, i could have been more specific: biblical literalist) view.or are you just intent on dragging this off topic to engage in a pointless argument?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Wouldn't that also mean that they should go about naked all the time?
Yes, indeed.that's the thrust of the initial post, shouldn't Xians strive for a pre fall world, gods initial perfect, unspoilt creation.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
ok.
then i guess this topic doesn't interest you. I suppose it would have been aimed at folk who DO think the bible suggests that.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Probably because our ancestors used them to eat raw meat off of carcasses.
But the (shortened) list of herbivores with canines i gave shows that canines are not *only* used for tearing meat. Were our distant ancestors meat eaters? and before them? were they foragers? did they have canines?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
partly because as CS said we are going on to something better
Better than god's perfect creation? surely that was the ideal? no sin, no death, abundant food etc.
there seems to be a fashion in white linen among the perfected saints. what a bizarre thing to say. Have you met perfected saints? what were they wearing?
And the only way to go back to nakedness would be in a state of complete innocence
Or perhaps just an acceptance that nudity isn't "dirty", while still appreciating the beauty/sexuality of the human body. Not necessarily innocence.
God's telling Noah they should now eat meat
I guess i see a difference between God saying "should" or "can" eat meat. One is giving an instruction, the other is giving permission.
another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
I can vouch, after 22 years that being vegetarian does not make you weak, (or necessarily thin!)
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