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Faith 
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Message 5 of 76 (713905)
12-17-2013 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PlanManStan
12-17-2013 4:27 PM


Quick answer: We are suffering the effects of the Fall, the disobedience of Adam and Eve that brought death and disease into the world, and there is Biblical reason to believe that it has cumulative effects down the generations.
That is, right after the Fall people still lived hundreds of years although they eventually died, and even after the Flood they still lived over a hundred years apparently healthy. That's the cumulative effect showing up in diminishing longevity.
They were simply a lot more healthy than we are, so their babies were also healthier. We have accumulated a lot of genetic diseases as well as susceptibility to contagious and other diseases they didn't have.
So I think it's just a matter of understanding the whole context of the Bible.
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Message 13 of 76 (713919)
12-17-2013 11:15 PM
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12-17-2013 6:19 PM


It IS the effect of the advances in medical science, which I regard as a blessing from God due to the Christian history of Western civilization. Jesus came to reverse the Fall in and through those who believe in Him, and that's what's happening. Nevertheless as the OP suggests, we are still a long way from reversing all the Fall's effects.
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Message 15 of 76 (713921)
12-17-2013 11:24 PM
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12-17-2013 8:59 PM


So what you are saying by "we developed new genetic diseases" is that we gained genetic material? Sounds like evolution.
No gain in genetic material, just degeneration, which I tend to attribute to mutations, all part of the legacy of the Fall.
And the health of the mother is disregardable.
I simply meant to emphasize that the general health of all was higher than ours today.
My mom was perfectly healthy at age 40, but I still had a 30% (might be less or more, no idea, but around here) of having the big DS
I know quite a few women who had babies after 40 and worried about having a Down's baby but happily didn't I also know a few who had Down's children. It's not about the health of the mother, it's about our inheritance from the Fall and it can show up in different people in different ways.

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Message 16 of 76 (713922)
12-17-2013 11:26 PM
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12-17-2013 11:17 PM


Modern medical science is a Western achievement.

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Faith 
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Message 21 of 76 (713955)
12-18-2013 1:44 PM
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12-18-2013 8:04 AM


And when you say degeneration, do you losing genetic information, having the current info damaged, or what?
Built-in healthy genetic info damaged by mutation.
I also like how you contradict yourself by saying "it's not about the health of the mother". Well then why'd you bring that up!
I didn't, you misread me. The only thing I can find that you must have taken that way is in Message 5: "They were simply a lot more healthy than we are, so their babies were also healthier." I wasn't specifically talking about the mothers of the babies, I was talking about the whole population in general and ALL their babies in general, a general statement about the general inheritance of genetic factors, which in their time I believe were healthier than ours.
By your logic, DS isn't even a genetic problem, but God punishing us? What, like how AIDS was God's way to get rid of homosexuals?
No, I said it is a genetic problem we've inherited due to the Fall. Diseases and death itself are our inheritance from the Fall.

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