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lfen
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Message 20 of 152 (277247)
01-08-2006 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
01-07-2006 12:01 AM


inquiry for clarification of topic basis
Schraf or Faith,
I could be mistaken but I'm under the impression that Faith holds to YEC. Is that correct?
The reason I'm asking is that the conversation seems to be about ToE and I would think that a fundamental basis for ToE is observations and theories from astrophysics and geology as to the age of the earth and the solar sytem etc. and how that relates to dating. I should think it would be very hard to grasp ToE if one expected it to all take place within the span of 7000 or whatever years.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 115 of 152 (278088)
01-11-2006 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
01-11-2006 10:03 AM


mutations and environmental changes
This is not so. The recognition of how natural selection works ought to tell you that what brings new phenotypes to the fore is the elimination of other genetic possibilities in a population. In fact the recognition of how DOMESTIC selection works, as in breeding programs, ought to demonstrate this.
Faith,
You seem to be emphasizing the selection aspect of genetics. And selection for is also selection against and would tend to reduce and sometime eliminate genetic information in a gene pool.
I'd like to know how you deal with mutations as a source of new information.
The other factor that is inseperable is the change of environments that occurs on various scales. A change in environment will alter the selelection of the gene pool. I'm not a all clear how creationists decided what is macro and what is micro evolution. Do you accept Darwin's work on the finchs of the Galapagos? That an breeding pair of creatures moving into a new enviroment with different enviromental niches would develope a range of new species?
Because we have to specialize in studies science gets broken up. But it's important to keep the large picture that life is an ecology. It's the entire universe that supports life on earth. Locally through the sun and even more locally the planet with water, atmosphere, substrates etc. It's all interdependent. The changes that are taking place occur throughout the whole system.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 119 of 152 (278137)
01-11-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
01-11-2006 10:57 AM


Re: mutations and environmental changes
Faith,
A very fair answer. I'll understand then that if at this point you don't wish to say anything further until you worked on mutation more, but I am curious if you've thoughts about the different species of finches occupying different ecological niches that Darwin observed in the Galapagos. It was his conclusion that all these varieties of finchs arose from a single species. Do you concur or do you have another preferred explanation?
lfen

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