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Author Topic:   A Better Theory: In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan
caffeine
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Message 22 of 78 (698473)
05-07-2013 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Taq
05-06-2013 5:29 PM


Bog standard advice
For example, the claim that you shouldn't eat anything with ingredients you can't pronounce. That is a bit of folksy talk, and it is pretending to be "common sense", and we know how common sense can fail in the extreme.
I'm faced with the problem that I live in a Czech-speaking country, and thus am completely unable to pronounce the word for asparagus. 'Maltodextrin', however, is the same as in English, and thus causes me no problems.
On a more serious note, I'm failing to see what's interesting or new about this book, from the summary given. It seems the advice is the same as that consistently given by nutritionists for as long as the discipline has existed - to avoid processed foods and eat a balanced diet. What am I missing?

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caffeine
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Message 64 of 78 (698846)
05-10-2013 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by ringo
05-08-2013 12:27 PM


Re: The right calories
If we were to eat like, say, Cro-Magnon man (assuming that our digestive systems haven't evolved much since then) we might be "healthy" in a parts-oriented sense but we'd have trouble getting enough fuel.
The source of the problem is agriculture. Without it, we'd be healthy but dead.
I've always been a bit dubious about the palaeolithic approach to diet. I do not have the digestive system of a palaeolithic hunter-gatherer. I am the descendant of several hundred generations of the people who were best able to thrive in an agricultural setting on the foods available there. I consume large quantites of milk of cheese without becoming ill - something our palaeolithic ancestors had difficulty doing.
Now, I've heard evidence that this dairy consumption may be having long-term detrimental effects of my health, and I may be better off without it. Nevertheless, the fact that I am a facultative lactophage suggests to me that there are different things happening in my stomach that happened in the stomach of my ancestors 15,000 years ago, and it's not at all clear to me that I'd manage better eating like them.

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Message 72 of 78 (699003)
05-13-2013 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by ringo
05-10-2013 12:15 PM


Re: The right calories
You quoted me as saying I assume you do. Do we actually know that paleolithic hunter-gatherers were lactose-intolerant? As I understand it, the individual body loses the ability to digest lactose if it doesn't use that ability. Is there reason to think that the intolerance is inherited/evolved?
My point about agriculture is that many agricultural products, especially grains, require processing - i.e. pre-digesting - before we can eat them in any quantity. That interference with the natural digestive process is the cause of a lot of our nutritional problems.
We invented agriculture to make available more food (fuel) of kinds that are not easily digestible. To make them digestible, we have to process many of the nutrients out of them. I maintain that we'd be better off eating roots, berries and grubs - but there wouldn't be very many of us.
Okay - sorry if I misunderstood.
As for lactose-tolerance, I'd always just assumed it was genetically based. Societies with milk and cheese had higher levels of lactose-tolerance because of past natural selection - but I suppose it's equally well explained if people who grow up with milk and cheese in their diet retain the ability to digest it.
A very cursory glance through Google suggests there is a genetic basis - see here from the American Journal of Human Genetics, for example. I don't know how well supported the idea is, though.

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