Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 53 (9179 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: Jorge Parker
Upcoming Birthdays: Theodoric
Post Volume: Total: 918,120 Year: 5,377/9,624 Month: 402/323 Week: 42/204 Day: 18/24 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   How Scientifically Literate Are You?
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


(1)
Message 20 of 134 (697638)
04-28-2013 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by PaulK
04-27-2013 5:15 PM


Oh all right, I got two wrong. I did think it was probably Nitrogen but I said Carbon Dioxide, and I put Infrared when I should have said Ultraviolet. I don't get out much these days and being over 70 maybe I have the excuse of an ossified brain. I'm sure you all can think of more interesting explanations.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by PaulK, posted 04-27-2013 5:15 PM PaulK has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 21 by NoNukes, posted 04-28-2013 11:11 AM Faith has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 24 of 134 (697661)
04-28-2013 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
04-28-2013 3:55 PM


I'm sure I'd have gotten all of them when I was twelve too.
Maybe not fracking though.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 23 by ringo, posted 04-28-2013 3:55 PM ringo has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 25 by ringo, posted 04-28-2013 4:23 PM Faith has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 47 of 134 (697780)
04-30-2013 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by NoNukes
04-29-2013 11:19 AM


I think an interesting item is tha 77% of people knew that the continents had been moving for millions of years. I wonder how many people held their nose and marked this question the way a scientist would mark it.
For example, I am guessing that Faith does not believe that the earth is millions of years old. Yet she marked the correct answer to this question.
Yup, held my nose. Test taking is an art.
I still flubbed two I should have got right. "UV protection" is written all over sunglasses and sun block creams for instance, as someone on the thread points out, how could I miss that? Well, as I said, I don't get out much any more. Sunlight? What's sunlight?
As for Nitrogen, now I KNOW that Nitrogen is the main ingredient in air, I KNOW that. So how explain missing that one? I was thinking something like: Plants breathe in Carbon Dioxide and breathe out Oxygen, so CO2 must be the biggest player.
Or, Air? What's air?

He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 31 by NoNukes, posted 04-29-2013 11:19 AM NoNukes has seen this message but not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 49 by caffeine, posted 04-30-2013 4:03 AM Faith has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 52 of 134 (697808)
04-30-2013 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by caffeine
04-30-2013 4:03 AM


Re: Air
Air is what we call the mixture of Nitrogen, Oxygen, Argon, Carbon Dioxide and a few other trace gases altogether.
ABE: Wait - I just realise you might have meant that as a joke on the 'sunlight? What's sunlight?' theme. If so, ignore my well-meant but patronising response.
Yes, it was a joke, but at least now I know that argon is a constituent of air as well, if anyone ever asks.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 49 by caffeine, posted 04-30-2013 4:03 AM caffeine has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 55 by Coragyps, posted 04-30-2013 10:29 AM Faith has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 53 of 134 (697809)
04-30-2013 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Percy
04-30-2013 8:41 AM


Re: The Fracking Question
I learned "nano" about fifteen years ago, and "fracking" probably more recently than that. Not words I'd have learned in high school. But they probably are learned there now.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 50 by Percy, posted 04-30-2013 8:41 AM Percy has seen this message but not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 64 of 134 (697872)
05-01-2013 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by dwise1
05-01-2013 10:19 AM


Re: No Fracking Problem
There is no way I'm going to convert all the measurements in my cookbooks to metric and throw out all my measuring gear.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 63 by dwise1, posted 05-01-2013 10:19 AM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 66 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 10:35 AM Faith has replied
 Message 68 by caffeine, posted 05-01-2013 11:31 AM Faith has replied
 Message 81 by dwise1, posted 05-01-2013 2:47 PM Faith has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 75 of 134 (697899)
05-01-2013 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by New Cat's Eye
05-01-2013 10:35 AM


Re: No Fracking Problem
And my ruler and yardstick and measuring tape and scales. Darn tootin, I like America being unique too.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 10:35 AM New Cat's Eye has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 80 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 2:46 PM Faith has replied
 Message 96 by nwr, posted 05-01-2013 7:23 PM Faith has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 76 of 134 (697900)
05-01-2013 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by caffeine
05-01-2013 11:31 AM


Re: No Fracking Problem
Oh yeh, we got the metric on everything too. As long as I don't need it I don't use it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 68 by caffeine, posted 05-01-2013 11:31 AM caffeine has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 77 of 134 (697901)
05-01-2013 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by New Cat's Eye
05-01-2013 12:04 PM


Re: No Fracking Problem
That too.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 69 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 12:04 PM New Cat's Eye has seen this message but not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


(1)
Message 84 of 134 (697914)
05-01-2013 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by New Cat's Eye
05-01-2013 2:46 PM


Re: No Fracking Problem
Na, metricity isn't all that superior. I'm not bragging about inferiority, if science needs metrics then use metrics for science, but leave the rest of us alone, we're doing fine without it. Scientists can learn to do the conversions, don't impose it on the rest of us. Good brain exercise too. And the fact that we have mixtures of both, as UK people have said they do, shows it isn't necessary to impose it on us anyway.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 80 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 2:46 PM New Cat's Eye has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 87 by New Cat's Eye, posted 05-01-2013 3:09 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 103 by dwise1, posted 05-02-2013 11:27 AM Faith has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 85 of 134 (697915)
05-01-2013 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by dwise1
05-01-2013 2:47 PM


Re: No Fracking Problem
You explain it well enough to make me wish I'd learned it. Too late now. '
I don't have to be concerned with how they measure things in Germany of course. If I moved there I assume I'd learn their system. But my cookbooks correspond to my measuring tools and habits and that's all I need to know.
But I also agree with this point:
Now, there are two valid problems with converting to metric. One is that most trades have sets of special measurements that they use all the time and have memorized. Measurements such as standard door dimensions and offsets and the spacing between studs. A solution could be like the kitchen compromise where old measurements are still retained and supplement the new measurements. The second problem is visualization. We can look at something and estimate its size and lift something and estimate its weight, or we can be told a length or weight and we can visualize about what that would be. We would have to relearn all that when we convert over to metric and that would be a problem that could only be solved through much practice.
Yes, I'm good at estimating based on the system we have, and changing would be a huge problem for that reason. I can estimate inches and feet but forget centimeters. I know what a quart is but a liter is just an annoying failure to be a quart. Etc.
\
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 81 by dwise1, posted 05-01-2013 2:47 PM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 90 by dwise1, posted 05-01-2013 3:24 PM Faith has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 99 of 134 (697948)
05-02-2013 12:51 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by nwr
05-01-2013 7:23 PM


Re: No Fracking Problem
It would be nice if our uniqueness were in being ahead of the rest of the world, rather than being behind the rest of the world.
Well, we used to be ahead until the Left had at us, now we're on the way to Third World status.
Not that that has anything to do with the metric system of course. Except that we were the most prosperous and inventive and benevolent society on the planet without it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 96 by nwr, posted 05-01-2013 7:23 PM nwr has seen this message but not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 112 of 134 (698032)
05-02-2013 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by dwise1
05-02-2013 11:27 AM


Re: No Fracking Problem
You've made your point about the superiority of metric, only I'm not going to change because of my ingrained habits. That's just the way it is. I understand the old system, I can think in the old system, I can do quite decent estimates of length and size and distance and volume and quantity in the old system, and at my age there is no point in changing.
Scientists don't have to do the conversions, because by working within the metric system they have absolutely no need to convert between metric and English/US
I was thinking of the situation where the average person was going to be required to do conversions between the two systems and that's too much to ask of us, so if anybody is going to have to do that let it be the scientists. And I assumed they would have to because they would be living in two worlds themselves, their scientific world and the everyday world of old system measurements.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 103 by dwise1, posted 05-02-2013 11:27 AM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 113 by ooh-child, posted 05-02-2013 4:15 PM Faith has replied
 Message 117 by dwise1, posted 05-02-2013 9:04 PM Faith has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


(1)
Message 114 of 134 (698042)
05-02-2013 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by ooh-child
05-02-2013 4:15 PM


Re: Don't go changin', to try to please us...
Golly gee, I thought I was correcting a misimpression.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 113 by ooh-child, posted 05-02-2013 4:15 PM ooh-child has seen this message but not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1553 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 118 of 134 (698084)
05-02-2013 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by dwise1
05-02-2013 9:04 PM


Re: No Fracking Problem
Yes, doing all those conversions as you describe for your high school friend's mother is what I thought was necessary.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 117 by dwise1, posted 05-02-2013 9:04 PM dwise1 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 120 by dwise1, posted 05-03-2013 9:55 AM Faith has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024