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Taz
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Message 18 of 180 (402959)
05-30-2007 10:03 PM


3 Laws of Robotics
(1) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
(2) A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
(3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
I once read a story that analyzes the difference between a robot equipped with these 3 laws and a perfectly decent human being. I'll have to go back to the library to get it since it's been quite some time. But the conclusion was that there is essentially no difference between a perfectly decent human being and a robot driven by these 3 laws.


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
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Taz
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Message 27 of 180 (403004)
05-31-2007 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by nator
05-31-2007 7:01 AM


nator writes:
It also seems to be quite hard-wired into humans, and is only completely absent in a very small percentage of the population, whom we call "sociopaths".
I quite don't agree with this statement.
first of all, by my standard at least, I don't see that many individuals in our society capable of empathising for others. What I see masses of people conforming to social standards. Sociopaths are just the extreme cases of most of these people.
We can also look at other societies to see examples of the inability to empathise with others being more prevalent. Biblical accounts, whether they were work of fiction or not, and the greek myths portray the savagery of bronze age societies (jar and purple might not agree with me on this one). The middle ages showed us perfect examples of people's inability to empathise. And let's not forget that slavery used to be a good thing. The nazis somehow got the overwhelming majority of their people to throw their conscience away. Even in this day and age, we have examples of mass murders and genocides that result in hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people dying.
Schraf, you don't have to look far to see just how heartless people are. The fact that the evangelical movement is somehow taking over this country should be telling enough just how little empathy people have.
Just as we evolved to feel hunger in order to motivate us to take on fuel for the operation of our bodies, we evolved to feel empathy in order to motivate us to live together in cohesive social groups.
I don't think so. Society is mostly held together by ideals that at one time or another were conjured up by the few that actually had empathy. I'd say that most people, while lacking the ability to empathise, are closer to the neutral part of the spectrum and therefore can be easily swayed either way. In our case, the masses have been swayed toward the better part of the spectrum.


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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Taz
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Message 35 of 180 (403021)
05-31-2007 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by New Cat's Eye
05-31-2007 12:00 PM


CS writes:
There aren't any penalties for not being empathetic (while also not being bad).
In fact, the very basis of our society (um, I'm referring to the constitution mostly) is the fact that people have a right to be unempathetic and selfish. For an example of this, all you have to do is watch those idiots on reality shows.


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Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
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Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 51 of 180 (403058)
05-31-2007 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
05-31-2007 4:06 PM


Re: Opie gone good?
Phat writes:
A secular humanist may say that society is basically good and needs to abandon religion and exclusivism.
What the hell does this mean? Since when did secular humanists not care about acts of mass murders and genocides in other parts of the world?


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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Taz
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Message 57 of 180 (403090)
05-31-2007 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by nator
05-31-2007 5:48 PM


nator writes:
So tell me why people (especially mothers) nearly universally report feeling very strong anxiety when they see their children in pain?
I don't think it's empathy. If it's empathy, they'd be feeling strong anxiety for other people who are in pain as well. But clearly, the Rawanda genocide demonstrated that people care for their children while not care at all for other people's children.


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 93 of 180 (403507)
06-03-2007 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by anastasia
06-03-2007 2:45 PM


anastasia writes:
When I think of morality, I am thinking specifically of things which we have made a determination of goodness upon.
When I think of morality, I think of how we treat other people.


We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current.
Disclaimer:
Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.
He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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