Who Made God?

Phat writes:Is it illogical to accept the belief that God existed before we did and that He has a definite character that we didn't ascribe to Him?

Phat writes:All that I can claim is that He is the real One in my belief.

Phat writes:Would it be necessary and expected for me to push my belief?

Faith writes:The Bible was never "found to fail" except by people who wanted it to fail....

Faith writes:It's ALL witness testimony....

Faith writes:Well, God has to open your eyes to the truth.

Phat writes:IF God is no respector of persons, why is it that He only opens SOME eyes to "the truth"?

Faith writes:the modern scholars are predominantly unbelievers. They should not be allowed to say anything about the Bible.

Faith writes:Yes, one liners are about right for the occasion I'd say.

Phat writes:Imagine that you one day became aware of a certain car. By definition, it eased your anxiety, confirmed your desire, and was capable of getting you to where you wanted to go. Without seeing a picture of it and without another description of it, could you say you made it up (imagined it) or could it be possible that you simply became aware of it?

Phat writes:I also dont need proof of the car as long as such a car would also be proven useful to me and whether I too could acquire such a car.

Phat writes:Why is it so difficult to simply say that God was not created therefore needs no cause?

Phat writes:It seems to me that you simply think that any unevidenced belief is nonsense.

Phat writes:You, on the other hand, wave away any belief as nonsense precisely because it is unevidenced and you wont allow the term miracle to be part of your vocabulary.

Phat writes:You would wait your whole life for evidence without believing in anything.

Phat writes: They are roughly the same.

Phat writes:The time you spend dead is a lot longer than the time you will spend alive.

Phat writes:Plus I always liked the idea of Pascals Wager

ICANT writes:Where is the true premise (evidence) for the universe and everything in it existing at the Planck epoch, the size of a pin point before it began to expand?

Phat writes:OK, going with your analogy... let's examine 3 models. The first model is who the Jews perceived around the time of Jesus birth and also around the time Saul of Tarsus was afoot. The second model was the one whom Jesus called Father.
The third model was the one that allegedly knocked Saul off his high horse and spurned him into becoming Paul and starting a new religion. One could argue that a real God existed amongst these contenders...

Phat writes:People these days place their hope in science and technology to alleviate suffering.

Phat writes:God forbid we have a polytheistic universe. I prefer a monotheistic reality.

Phat writes:A committee of Gods would more likely turn down my requests.

Phat writes:If I simply waited for God to reveal His name to me, I would never get an opportunity to begin to get to know Him.

Phat writes:My point is that you have concluded that God likely isn't here. I have concluded that He likely is. Is either position any worse than the other?