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Author Topic:   Why evolution and Christianity cannot logically mesh
mike the wiz
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Message 28 of 75 (351328)
09-22-2006 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by robinrohan
09-22-2006 8:04 AM


Re: So there is some kind of debate then?
2. What do those Christians who do not accept the doctrine of the Fall have as an answer to the problem of the suffering of innocents?
I can only answer for myself; My own musings are philosophical, scientific, and religious ones, intermingled and a bit complicated, and perhaps convoluted. So I'll give a bried answer;
I believe God intended mankind and animals, but that there is a mystery of the flesh within all lifeforms, which is essentially selfish, (selfish gene, and survival tactics). I believe any flesh would kill to survive, in a particular circumstance, rendering all flesh guilty. Not God.
Basically, I think God possibly "let" the earth get on with bringing life forth. An individual organism, in some vague manner, can "choose" to survive or die. They chose to survive, some, by killing. Apparently, this would mean a modern organism such as a lion individual, would be a victim of those long-ago choices made by early lifeforms.
Perhaps there is no understanding it from a human perspective. I struggle with it but am not going to pretend to have a nice neat answer, I can only struggle with it. I believe it would be premature to conclude God is then cruel. I don't think that's necessarily the case.

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mike the wiz
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Message 74 of 75 (356103)
10-12-2006 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by PaulK
10-12-2006 2:16 AM


Re: One more thing, Robin, before you go...
What you suspect, is highly convenient to your position. Atheists who want to show how absurd the YEC position is, will support it as the only viable ideology to have, to their own end. Since Robin never enforced that end, it's then not reasonable to assume he was using Faith to that kind of end.
If anything, he was saying that a Christian must be YEC, because of his own views on the big picture.
Unfortunately Paul, I think you're going to have to accept that an atheist took part in the popular false dichotomy so often regurgitated by YECS. The famous, evolution and atheism, or Christian and creationist. Perhaps you think that your ideology doesn't allow the possibility of an atheist not observing reason? On the contrary, I've known many, many, un-informed atheists who are proponents of the same YEC dichotomy.
Faith might have drastically different opinions from yours, but the insult was unnecesary. If anything, Faith used Robin, albeit on benevolent terms.
I'm not going to speak ill of the dead, but in my opinion You have a superb opportunity to speak ill of the alive.

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