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Author Topic:   Why evolution and Christianity cannot logically mesh
GDR
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Message 48 of 75 (351699)
09-23-2006 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 11:26 PM


For whatever it's worth to you I just finished Francis Collins' new book "The Language of God". Now I'm no expert but he is. He has no problem with meshing Christianity and evolution and actually thinks that they compliment one another.

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GDR
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Message 60 of 75 (351888)
09-24-2006 7:01 PM
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09-24-2006 5:52 PM


iano writes:
I think the wrath of God poured out on mankind because of his wickedness is fairly well established myself.
Hi Ian
I would come at that from an entirely different perspective. I wouldn't agree that it has anything at all to do with God's wrath. We have been given guidelines for life which are based on loving all of our neighbours and wanting the best for them. It's like telling a 2 year old not to play in the street. If he follows the guidelines it keeps him safe, whereas if he plays in the street he is likely to get hit bay a car.
When individuals, nations or mankind in general operate outside of the guidelines things will go wrong as a natural consequence, not because of God supernaturally intervening to punish those that live outside the guidelines.
Greg

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GDR
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Message 64 of 75 (351898)
09-24-2006 8:01 PM
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Faith writes:
What do you do with the Biblical references to "the wrath of God" as punishment and as the state of fallen man then? As in:
None of your references make any distinction as to whether they are referring to this world or the next.
Whether it is referring to this world or the next when an individual or a society moves away from the model that God has given us then bad things are going to happen. God's wrath is that he allows the natural consquences of what we have done to take place.

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GDR
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Message 66 of 75 (351927)
09-24-2006 10:35 PM
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09-24-2006 8:21 PM


I'll repeat what I said before. "God's wrath is that he allows the natural consequences of what we have done to take place."
If God intervenes supernaturally in this life to punish sin then it seems to me that free will is no longer free.
Edited by GDR, : No reason given.

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