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Author Topic:   Immorality of Homosexuality
EighteenDelta
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Message 157 of 218 (425652)
10-03-2007 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Hyroglyphx
10-01-2007 7:13 PM


Re: Calling Out Nemesis Juggernaut
I can see two problems with a son marrying his mother that are not related to Christian morality. The first is the issue of 'grooming' which then means the son, in the eyes of the law, becomes a victim. The second issue is the potential product of such a relationship. Children borne of incestuous relationships, this gives you another potential victim. Homosexual relationships don't produce mentally and physically handicapped children, last I checked they don't directly produce any children.
That is why I disagree with your statement. I think you intended it to be an emotionally charged statement to induce a sense of revulsion in the general reader. I think that it is disingenuous in that respect.
-x

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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EighteenDelta
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Message 166 of 218 (434097)
11-14-2007 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Phat
11-14-2007 1:25 PM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
Phat writes:
My whole point is that same gender attraction need not be expressed on a sexual level. There may well be a higher and nobler purpose for the attraaction than sex. There is nothing immoral about attraction...only motives and actions(behaviors)
So you are going to maintain the "its OK to be gay, as long as you don't have gay sex" stance? Then why not apply this to everyone, "its OK to be a bigoted asshole and hate people as long as you don't burn any blackfolk"
Why do you care about other peoples sexual predilections?
-x

"Debate is an art form. It is about the winning of arguments. It is not about the discovery of truth. There are certain rules and procedures to debate that really have nothing to do with establishing fact ” which creationists have mastered. Some of those rules are: never say anything positive about your own position because it can be attacked, but chip away at what appear to be the weaknesses in your opponent's position. They are good at that. I don't think I could beat the creationists at debate. I can tie them. But in courtrooms they are terrible, because in courtrooms you cannot give speeches. In a courtroom you have to answer direct questions about the positive status of your belief. We destroyed them in Arkansas. On the second day of the two-week trial we had our victory party!"
-Stephen Jay Gould

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EighteenDelta
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Message 173 of 218 (434120)
11-14-2007 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Wounded King
11-14-2007 2:03 PM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
I am not advocating any limit to free thought, I am demonstrating the inanity of this way of thinking. Instead of reading into what I say, try reading what I say.
-x

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EighteenDelta
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Message 175 of 218 (434122)
11-14-2007 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Wounded King
11-14-2007 2:03 PM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
Saying something isn't OK, isn't saying something should be illegal, though that was a wonderful strawman. Way to misrepresent.
-x

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EighteenDelta
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Message 177 of 218 (434125)
11-14-2007 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Fosdick
11-14-2007 2:22 PM


Re: Botrh sides of bigotry
Its my 'marriage institution' too. I got a wife and two kids. Never felt gay marriage threatened me and mine in any way. So its not "other peoples marriage institutions" to me. And I think you should reread the dictionary for 'Rhetorical' I don't think you understand the usage.
-x
P.S. This is where you will probably cut and paste from some online dictionary...

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EighteenDelta
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Message 181 of 218 (434133)
11-14-2007 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Wounded King
11-14-2007 2:03 PM


Re: It;s oxymoronic to use High&Nobel and Homosexual in the same breath
Jar has pointed out in chat that I didn't specify 'hate speech' and that it seems I am leaving this as 'hate thought', my fault for not doing that I guess. I still maintain that 'hate thought' is wrong, not suggesting any legislation though. Yes I understand that hate is protected from criminal prosecution, it is however still actionable in civil litigation. To create an atmosphere of hate, creates an atmosphere of fear. That fear is used to repress. That repression is the issue at hand. Your right to hate ends when you create hostility towards others.
-x

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EighteenDelta
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Message 190 of 218 (434169)
11-14-2007 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by StElsewhere
11-14-2007 5:28 PM


Re: Botrh sides of bigotry
SHEEP-Man does have rights, but the law says that Animal abuse isn't one of those rights. It's illegal because its considered animal abuse in the legal realm.
-x

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