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Author Topic:   Prophecy vs Free will
Buzsaw
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Message 21 of 168 (629733)
08-19-2011 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by frako
08-19-2011 8:53 AM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
frako writes:
Prediction is not necessarily prophecy and a prediction does not always come true.
Lets say the bible has a prophecy that says purple dawn will walk in front of a bus on august the 20tieth and die.
If you do walk in front of a bus and die then that is strong evidence of no free will because you would always make the same choice free will would only be an illusion a belief that you actually can choose what to do, but the choice is always the same as the one predicted.
Prophecy is fore-knowledge of what will happen. It's fulfillment is one of the most significant evidences of the existence of Jehovah, his greatness and power, as depicted in the Biblical record.
It is the evidence of the unseen higher intelligence existing in the universe, both good and evil. The existence of evil supernatural entities are also evidence by the ability of some psychics, witches et al to perform some of the phenomena which they are involved with.
Wake up and smell the coffee, Frako. Get apprised on all of the end time prophecies which have been both fulfilled and emerging into fulfillment.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 168 (629752)
08-19-2011 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by frako
08-19-2011 2:27 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
frako writes:
Can the choices we make with our free will change the outcome so those prophecies do not come true or are they set in stone and free will is a lie.
I answered your question in my last post. You missed my point that Jehovah has the power and mental capacity of foreknowledge. Go figure. If you exercise your free will, which he allows you to do, he fore-knew that you would do that. You can exercise no free will but that he knew you would do it.
Jehovah makes you do nothing He gave Adam the free will to sin. He knew when he gave it to him that that was what he would do. The same goes with us all.
When God prophesied to Esau his fate for killing his brother, Abel, Esau complained that it was too harsh. God's answer to him was that if he'd do right, things would go well, but when he told him that, he knew Esau's heart that he was a rebel at heart.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 168 (629771)
08-19-2011 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by hERICtic
08-19-2011 8:11 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
heRICTic writes:
If you ask god what you will do at X time, can you do different than what god states?
If you ask god what you will do at X time, can you do different than what god states?
In the first place, that's not the way God communicates with his people in this dispensation. We do not have an audible conversation with God. We pray to him, in the name of Jesus, mediator between God and men and he acts either pro or con to out request, depending on if we meet the criteria for receiving answers to prayer.
In the second place, if that were possible, in his fore-knowledge, he would know all that we will ask and what he will do pertaining to our request.
You just can't get around the fore-knowledge of God
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 168 (629780)
08-19-2011 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by hERICtic
08-19-2011 9:04 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
heretic writes:
Can I do differently that what was predicted?
There are times when Jehovah pronounced something bad to happen to a person or nation, but after the person or nation repented, he lifted the judgment. However, he foreknew that there would be repentance when he made the pronouncement.
The city of Nineveh, in the book of Jonah, is an example of this.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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