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Author Topic:   Prophecy vs Free will
hERICtic
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Message 28 of 168 (629765)
08-19-2011 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 6:26 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Buzz writes:
I answered your question in my last post. You missed my point that Jehovah has the power and mental capacity of foreknowledge. Go figure. If you exercise your free will, which he allows you to do, he fore-knew that you would do that.
If you ask god what you will do at X time, can you do different than what god states?

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hERICtic
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Message 32 of 168 (629776)
08-19-2011 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 8:47 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Buzz writes:
In the first place, that's not the way God communicates with his people in this dispensation. We do not have an audible conversation with God. We pray to him, in the name of Jesus, mediator between God and men and he acts either pro or con to out request, depending on if we meet the criteria for receiving answers to prayer.
You are avoiding the question. It does not matter how god answers a question, but can he? Of course.
Buzz writes:
In the second place, if that were possible, in his fore-knowledge, he would know all that we will ask and what he will do pertaining to our request.
You're not answering the question.
In the Bible, there are many instances of prophecy where it is stated X will occur at a certain time by a certain individual or individuals.
Is it possible that a prophecy be given by god that I will do a certain act in the future? Yes or no?
Can I do differently that what was predicted?

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hERICtic
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Message 40 of 168 (629811)
08-20-2011 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 9:43 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Buzz writes:
There are times when Jehovah pronounced something bad to happen to a person or nation, but after the person or nation repented, he lifted the judgment. However, he foreknew that there would be repentance when he made the pronouncement.
In your example above, god made a prediction that something bad would occur to a nation due to their actions. Either because logically he saw the road they were going down and/or because he knew he would be the one to punish them.
Imagine a parent telling his kids if their rooms are not clean by a certain time they're going to be punished. Kids clean their rooms, punishment averted.
Thats not prophecy. We are discussing prophecy, as in set in stone.
So my initial example remains. God makes a prophecy that you will do X at a certain time. You are aware of this prophecy.
Can you do differently?

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