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Author Topic:   Prophecy vs Free will
frako
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Message 1 of 168 (629662)
08-19-2011 7:04 AM


If we have free will then prophecy is impossible because by using free will billions of changes can accrue in a vision of the future because someone decides to take a different choice. And the same goes if prophecies are true then we have no free will we always make our choices the same as the visions of prophecy foresee.

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frako
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Message 6 of 168 (629674)
08-19-2011 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by purpledawn
08-19-2011 8:08 AM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Prediction is not necessarily prophecy and a prediction does not always come true.
Lets say the bible has a prophecy that says purple dawn will walk in front of a bus on august the 20tieth and die.
If you do walk in front of a bus and die then that is strong evidence of no free will because you would always make the same choice free will would only be an illusion a belief that you actually can choose what to do, but the choice is always the same as the one predicted.
But if you would not walk in front of the bus then that would be evidence to support that there is no such thing as prophecy and that you have the free will to chose what to do all the time.
To put it more in context with the bible at the end of times after the good guys have been raptured the rest follows Satan to wage the last battle at Armageddon, do these humans that where left behind the atheists who finally got some evidence that god exists dont have a choice to say no belzebos you go and fight your own battle im staying behind, the just blindly follow the guy in to battle knowing they will loose.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 16 of 168 (629718)
08-19-2011 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by purpledawn
08-19-2011 10:41 AM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
So you are saying the "end of days" may not come if people change their ways.

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frako
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Message 20 of 168 (629730)
08-19-2011 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by purpledawn
08-19-2011 12:52 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Isnt the way the world will end written down ??
all those marks of the beast and stuff like that, will those things happen no matter what or can our free will change it?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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frako
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Message 22 of 168 (629737)
08-19-2011 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Buzsaw
08-19-2011 2:02 PM


Re: Prediction Doesn't Interfere With Free Will
Wake up and smell the coffee, Frako. Get apprised on all of the end time prophecies which have been both fulfilled and emerging into fulfillment.
Can the choices we make with our free will change the outcome so those prophecies do not come true or are they set in stone and free will is a lie.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Jesus was a dead jew on a stick nothing more

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