sac51495 writes:
So the crucial sequence of events is that we do not see God directly command Eve not to eat.
doesn't matter, as eve evidently knew.
quote:
And the woman said unto the serpent: 'Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said: Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.'
-- Genesis 3:2,3
in fact, she quotes this nearly
verbatim.
Therefore, with the disobedience of man, sin came into the world: thus it is by the man that the curse of sin is conveyed to the children. Note what is said in the curse of Genesis 3:
now, i can't speak for the greek, but frequently in the hebrew,
adam or "man" is used to refer to both the male
and female. for instance, see genesis 1:27, where god creates adam "male and female", and genesis 5:1,2, which says basically the same thing.
"And I will put enmity between you [the serpent] and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel." - Genesis 3:15
All biblical scholars and theologians cite this as an obvious prophecy of Jesus Christ, that is, the reference to the seed of the woman. What is significant here is that it refers to Christ as the seed of the woman,
not of the man.
no, most
christians you talk to on the internet see this as prophecy. ask any jewish person, and they'll tell you it's not even vaguely messianic at all, nevermind being about jesus. it's an etiological tale -- and the snake is, at the end of it, your garden variety reptile. he slithers on the ground, licks the dirt, and women aren't too fond of him.
he says "her seed" because he's talking to eve -- this is the punishment of
women for her sin. men have their own punishment.
I already cited the verses in Matthew which state that Christ was born of a virgin and the Spirit.
not to derail this thread, but you might be surprised that the hebrew verse matthew cites says nothing of the sort. in fact, even in most translations, when you read it in context, it can't possibly be about christ, because it was fulfilled roughly 600 years before he was born. the prophecy in isaiah 7 was given to king ahaz, and regards the defeat of the israel and aram, who were invading judah at the time, by assyria (who would soon destroy israel, and be on judah's doorstep).
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