Born Again

The Greek text has it, anothen or "from above" rather than "again." ABE: Unless you are born from above....I Corinthians 6:19 says:

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19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;

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John 1:12 (American Standard Version)

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But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:

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1 John 5:11, 12:

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And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.

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1 Corinthians 12:13

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For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.

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14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. American Standard Version (ASV)
Copyright 1901 Public DomainGalatians 3:2626 For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.John 14:16

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And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,

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17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

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18 I will not leave you desolate: I come unto you.

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19 Yet a little while, and the world beholdeth me no more; but ye behold me: because I live, ye shall live also.

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20 In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

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Romans 10:6:

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Whosoever calleth upon his name shall be saved.

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When you corroborate those and other related scriptures, being born from above entails the following:

Jesus is up in the cosmos in his father, Jehovah's throne place on the right hand of Jehovah"s throne acting as our mediator, priest and sacrificial lord and savior. When we receive Jesus, he himself does not come down from Heaven. It is the spirit of Jesus and of Jehovah his father that comes into our very bodies, mind and spirit. This is when we become born from above, or spiritually born, becoming sons/children of God.
> This is how Jesus is in the father (Jehovah), the father is in him, he in us and us in him. It's all by the Holy Spirit which is the only member of the Holy Trinity which is multi-present, being sent throughout the Universe, doing Jehovah's bidding.. This is the same spirit which moved upon the waters, etc, doing the work of creation on planet earth. Se also, Psalms 104:30.

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He sends forth his spirit and they are created

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Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Say what? John 3:5 is quoting Jesus telling Nicodemus that he must be born from above of God's spirit, i.e. the Holy Spirit, in order to see God's kingdom. If he didn't mean what he said, what do you think he meant?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Why do you think I went to the work of citing corroborating scripture for the clarification of Jesus's statement. You're mine quoting Jesus, isolating one statement so as to obfuscate his message to Nicodemus. In so doing, you undermine the scripture and teaching of Jesus at large.Sons/children are not made. They are born. Adam and eve were intelligent human-kind creatures of God, designed after his image. NT spiritually born sons/children are what Nicodemus spoke of. In the OT, God's children of Israel were not instructed to refer to him as father. It was a different dispensational era of humanity.The OT predicted the kingdom of Jehovah to come on earth. The NT depicts a unique dispensation of a called out people from all nations to become the spiritual bride of Christ to rule with him for the messianic millennium prophesied for the latter days in the restored nation of Israel.It is the children or redeemed saints of Jehovah who will rule with Jesus on earth. Thus the prophecies of this new era are fast emerging into fulfillment before our eyes and ears.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Where in the OT does it speak of a new birth from above, i.e. spiritual birth for individuals? We're not talking about natural birth or physical creation, nor are we talking about nations. The Jews were the children of Israel, the messianic nation of Jehovah, not spiritually born individuals. Really? So where are your chapters and verses about the above, i.e. sons and children being made throughout the OT? Romans 5:8-19 ASV

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But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.

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10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;

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11 and not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

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12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:--

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13 for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

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14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.

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15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.

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16 And not as through one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification.

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17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, even Jesus Christ.

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18 So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.

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19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous.

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Edited by Buzsaw, : Quote fix

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You've never addressed the passages colored in gold. Until you do that, the OT doctrine of original sin stands.God told Adam that the day he eats of the tree he would die. Adam lived hundreds of years after he ate but died spiritually, being separated from God spiritually. According to my colored in passages in the NT, that original sin of Adam passed on all of his descendents.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

According to the apostle Paul, the original sin of the original man, Adam, caused the curse of death on all of Adam's offspring, i.e. original sin/death. Are you denying Paul's allegation?Being born under the curse of sin, according to Paul, Jesus becomes the means of new life from the curse of death. Jesus calls this the spiritual birth according to John 3.Neither you or Jar are debating in good faith, ignoring the scriptural texts which I have cited. Enough of this nonsense that Buz is not on topic or is not supporting my position. You're both copping out with substanceless yada.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

It is an OT doctrine. Why do you think animal sacrifices were required of Jehovah for the sins of the nation, the family and the individual? Animal (not vegetable) sacrifices were required of Cain and Abel. Cain's veggie sacrifice was rejected by Jehovah because the sacrifice had to be a blood/death sacrifice. There had to be a sacrificial death to cover the sins of the people.Paul said "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Both OT and NT required a blood sacrifice for sin, the guiltless paying for the sins of the guilty. Finally Jesus died once and for all for the sins of the people and animal sacrifices ended at the death of Jesus when the Holy of Holies curtain was torn from the top to the bottom by God, indicating that the final sin sacrifice was paid for original sin.What has this got to do with "born again," i.e. spiritual birth? Once belief and receiving the sin sacrifices is effected, Jesus, one becomes born from above spiritually, absolved from the original sin curse pronounced by Jehovah in Genesis.Why do you think Jehovah told Adam the day he ate of the fruit he would die but he didn't die physically for centuries?Certainly the apostle Paul and Jesus implied that original sin was an OT doctrine. Else why did they cite Genesis as the authority for their teaching of original sin?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

You added a significant word to the text which is not in the text, neither literally or by implication. That word is the adjective, very. Biblically the term day can mean a time frame or a very/literal 24 hr day, depending on text. In this context clearly it does not depict a literal 24 hr day.This has all been addressed in Message 224 and Message 226, in neither of which you effectively refuted my facts. For one who advocates literacy about the relative term day, your illiteracy regarding to the help mate decries your bibliophobic bias. For Adam this might have been an "All-ee All-ee in free" hide and seek, but for the all knowing/omniscient Jehovah it was a means of flushing out an admission of guilt from the original sinners. No, poor deluded fellow. It is just another example of your utter ignorance of basic Biblical doctrine. Again, no, Jar. The truth of the matter is that you are having such a hard time propagating your unsupported bibliophobic position.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.