Is there Biblical support for the concept of "Original Sin"?

Indeed: words like "should" and "punish" are associated with the realm of morality whereas Adam and Eve don't appear to have been moral beings at the point of their choosing.It would however, be completely justified to deliver on the promised consequences associated with a choice in the direction chosen.Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

"...you shall surely die." was the only promised consequence, yes?

Indeed. But just as with the word 'faith', I'd see it as sensible to consider how the Bible defines things rather than how a dictionary does (especially when there's a marked difference between the two definitions)

My only idea is that it is possible you likely actually believe what you post.Perhaps you can explain how someone can know to obey one authority figure over another in a way that would teach them not to obey the most recent authority figure.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So when God said "....you shall surely die." he meant:

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3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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...and banish them both from the Garden?Edited by Panda, : tyopsEdited by Panda, : No reason given.

So you agree that becoming more like God was a good thing but you still claim that Adam and Eve became more like God by sinning?

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

My post wasn't so much belief-centred as it was question-centred. You assert something, I ask how you arrive at that idea ... then silence.- When you say 'authority figure' do you mean that they are understood to be someone who should be obeyed?Where did you get the notion that God or the serpent were seen as authority figures?Edited by iano, : No reason given.

I got that from you. You made the claim that Adam and Eve should obey God.My point is that there is nothing in the story to suggest that either Adam or Eve could even have the concept that they should obey one critter over another until after they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Isn't that the point? How were Adam and Eve supposed to know they should obey God?

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

...for starters.

How did Adam or Eve know this?

But they did not die that very day.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I'm pretty sure you won't be able to link to me claiming that. At least, not exegetically. I agree.And so my questioning why you think disobedience requires such concepts since disobedience only requires you not following a persons direction?

I don't know if you've been following the discussion but my view is that Adam and Eve were faced with decision involving proferred consequences ("death" (whatever that means) and "be like God" (whatever that means)).There is no need to introduce a should-element to a decision involving only consequences.

I'm not supposing they did.Not that it matters. A balanced choice doesn't require that the full extent of all consequences be known at the time of choosing. It merely demands that the same amount is known about both sets of consequences.I mean, which one of us can know all the consequences for any decision we make - yet we are held accountable for the choices we makeEdited by iano, : No reason given.