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Author Topic:   Irreducible complexity- the challenges have been rebutted (if not refuted)
Zhimbo
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Message 68 of 112 (57228)
09-23-2003 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Gemster
09-23-2003 4:43 AM


Re: spiderman
Gemster writes:
quote:
"This kind of chain of events is about as unscientific as you can get. making hypothetical guesses to provide the missing information in the evolution of the web maker. "
This is a logical error that seems habitual in standard-issue creationists.
They make a claim that something is impossible to evolve gradually, in principle.
They recieve replies showing how something could evolve gradually, in principle.
They counter with "but you don't have evidence that this is how in fact, things happened".
That's irrelevant.
If you make an argument about what can happen in principle, you don't need to counter this with evidence, because the creationist claim isn't about what did happen, it's about what could happen.
Think about it - does a creationist care if a single possible evolutionary path is proven or disproven? Of course not. They want to claim that there is no possible path.
Gemster - if you want to argue that the proposed pathways are impossible, please go ahead.

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Zhimbo
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Posts: 571
From: New Hampshire, USA
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Message 92 of 112 (58210)
09-27-2003 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Gemster
09-26-2003 3:36 PM


Re: yawn
quote:
"Yet evolutionary theory demands precisely such violations every step of the way, as the expansion of the big bang acquires information, organization, and complexity, forming itself into galaxies, stars, planets, then highly complex amino acids, proteins, DNA"
Other than conflating cosmology and biology, which I'll overlook, there's a more interesting error here, Gemster.
Actually 2 errors:
1. In much of your post, you're plagiarizing from TrueOrigins. Bad form. Rather than copy blocks of text from a site without credit, it's good to link to the site to give credit to the original author.
2. I'll ask a question, rather than telling you the error:
Which case has greater entropy?
a.Our current universe.
b. Take our current universe and compact all of its matter and energy into a tiny, tiny space.
If you have a clue as to what entropy is, the answer's obvious. Here's a similar case to help your intuition along:
a. The earth's current atmosphere.
b. The earth's current atmosphere compressed into a small tank.
I wonder what your acquaintance with Thermodynamics is...a chemistry course? A physics course? Self guided study with a physics textbook?
Or, perhaps, is it just limited to copying text from creationist websites?
[This message has been edited by Zhimbo, 09-27-2003]

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