Bible Buffet (Run-off From Noah's Flood)

And you know this is a msinterpretation because? Are you all knowing? Are you infallible? Then how can you possibly know what the correct interpretation is? Are all other denominations of Christians wrong? Is yours the only one that got it right?Do you see the problems here? Without being all knowinfg and infallible you have absolutely no way of determining whether or not one particualr interpretation is correct or not. This is also what I meant with "people pick and choose from the bible". Since none of them can know whether or not their interpretation is valid, none can claim TRVTH. Yet somehow, they all do.

Right, see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Here you are talking like you're the only one who knows what god meant when he wrote the bible. How arrogant of you.You're just a fallible human, you're not all knowing. How can you possibly know what god meant, who has an intellect far greater than anything you could ever hope to fathom? How can you know that god is like you say he is? That he will only act the way you think he should act?See Flyer, this is what I was referring to. Not half a day after I posted this to you, you have a Christian coming on here claiming he is the one who holds the truth about what the bible says and who can interpret it correctly. This is what I meant.

Since evolutionary biologists can show me how evolution works, i.e. show me evidence, I'm pretty comfortable with them telling me this is how it happened. If an evolutionary biologist were to come out tomorrow and go: "Birds evolved into elephants!", and when asked for evidence says: "Well, i think they did", you can be damn sure I won't believe him.Also, of course, science doesn't claim it has the absolute truth.

Then you're not looking at all the evidence, for there are scientists who don't accept evolution (as creationists are always so fond of pointing out), yet this is a minority. There are also atheists that don' accept evolution. Again, this is (probably) a minority.So, no, evolution is not absolute in the "scientific/atheist community".

Allow me to try: The cloud is bowing down, in other words looking down on the earth. Looking down on something shows contempt for it. God is telling us here he looks down in contempt on us. Here he threatens mankind by saying he will remember his covenant, meaning that if we break it again (when this is is arbitrarily set by him), he will smite the earth again. Here he tells us that water will not be the means in which he smites the earth once more. One can only dread at the terrible things he will do to it instead.So, here we have god telling us how contemptible we are to him, and that he will smite the earth with terrible things (not just water) whenever he feels like we deserve it.

Don't sweat it mate, I'm sue your reply will be worth it. And how do we determine this correct way? More interpretation? That's probably because you agree with it. However, let's not look at that issue now. Whether you agree with him or not, do you not agree that there is no way which you can be sure how the bible must be interpreted? Look at my example in Message 30 That's an interpretation of a passage from the bible that won't be shared by many, but how can you (a fallible mere mortal human) tell me (the same), that my interpretation is any less valid than yours, except with "I don't believe that's what it says". Now pardon me, but I don't find that a very convincing argument, you see I believe i does. And then what, do we reach a stalemate, how do we go from there? Look closely at what you wrote here, please. I'll try and break it down for you: "If you know what god thinks of everything". Isn't that a bit arrogant of you, claiming to know the mind of god? "That can be interpreted from the bible.". Already you need to interpret stuff, I interpreted god from the bible in my Message 30, but that's not an interpretation you'll agree with. What makes my interpretation less valid than yours? "I interpreted god to be not a relativist". Ok, I interpreted that he is. Now what? Who is right? How do we determine that objectively? "And mine is the correct way". How do you know? Are you not fallible? Do you know everything? Isn't it possible Satan deceived you?Are you beginning to see the problem Flyer? How can we determine which is the correct interpretation objectively?

No it isn't. Show evdience that refutes evolution and shows abiogenesis is impossible and be amazed how quickly the scientific community will drop them. This will never happen with creationism. No matter how many times it is shown to be wrong, it just keeps on claiming the same things.

Hello Flyer, glad to hear all is well again. Ok, fine by me. I will address some of the points you raised though. Sure, I could still interpret that to make it fit with what I said earlier. Now I never denied that this wasn't a reaction/promise of god after the noachian flood, but I simply interpreted it differently then you do. I could still make this all fit together if you really want me to, with no internal inconsistencies. Then how can you truly know that my interpretation isn't the right one? Perhaps I am the only one to make the right interpretation, perhaps somebody else is. Perhaps it's even that whacky Joseph Smith. But without knowing god's mind completely, we can never claim with any absolute certainty (even more so since we are fallible humans), what god acutally meant. That's what you say. I say it fits perfectly, god is in a bit of a temper tantrum for the rest of the OT, I guess this is because he is still pissed off at himself for fucking up adam and eve, and then fucking up even more, leading to him having to destroy the world in a flood, not leaving behind any evidence of his fuck ups. Then, right at the end, he goes right back to his promise to Noah (the one about destroying the earth again, not with water, but other things, as my interpretation clearly shows), and does just as he promised, he destroys the world with all kinds of nasty stuff, because he felt the covenant was broken once more, the fact many have tried to put a time on when this will occur, and that they've all been wrong, shows quite clearly it is for god to determine when this time will be, also as I've interpreted. Seems like I'm pretty close on the mark there. There is a difference though. I can show you why you are wrong by pointing to objective evidence. The fact that there are so many different denominations of Christianity is a tell tale sign that in this case, there is no objective evidence to determine which of them is right. And since you can't even figure out which one of you is right (well, to you, it's the one you belong to, but I think you'll get my point), what is to say that I have not accidentally stumbled (or perhaps I was guided ) onto the right interpretation.Take Peg for instance, she's a Christian, and even a creationist, like yourself. She will however not agree with you on the trinity, according to her, there is no such thing, and she claims the bible as support. There have been lengthy discussions between here and other Christians on this site, and so far I've never seen them resolved. {ABE}: Or take Jaywill in the "some still living" thread. Look how he's twisting and turning to make Jesus' prophecy about when the end time will be fit! He's not taking just scripture into accoun there, he's taking in the real world also (For it has not happened yet. therefore, a way must be foudn to make it fit).What do you make of that then? I don't think it does. There are, you just interpreted it wrong. See what I did there? If we look just at scripture, and ignore everything else, it's pretty clear it's a global flood. But why do that? Why limit yourself just to scripture when you've got the real world around you you actually live in?But I will agree with you, just looking at scripture it was a global flood. Though perhaps I would be able to squeeze out a different interpretation, given enough time on my hands and the verses at hand (I can get the verses, but I'm not gonna waste my time interpreting Noah's flood, I don't think it will do any good anyway).Edited by Huntard, : Added a bit

The problem is Greentwiga, that while scientists have objctive ways of telling who's wrong or right, Christians don't. They're all fallible and all don't know everything. So, none of them can claim that what they interpret from the bible is the one and only truth. For how do they know god meant that? Because they want it to mean that?That is the problem here.Example: Ask any creationist, and they will say the exact opposite, on the same grounds.