Silly Design Institute: Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy...

Silly design = The designer effecting the pre-evolution abiogenesis of the first living organism on tiny planet earth after which he leaves it to design itself from there on from the mirey soup. Edited by Buzsaw, : Accidently bumped the submit button before finished

Hi Coyote. For the purpose of this topic I did not designate a designer. The designer is a generic term which could refer to a god entity or some super intelligence from a highly advanced planet from the cosmos etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. The generic word/term creation/creationist need not nessitate that everything discussed and debated relative to creating/making something involves religion as per your first response.2. What is considered science need not exclude intelligent design relative to something created/made.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I don't think it's fair to classify intelligent design with astrology. That's as illogical as classifying a Model T Ford with a 2009 Cadilac.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Coyote and Magdna:1. Behe is not spokes-guru of ID or of astrology. He's just one scientist who expressed an opinion based on nothing imperical.2. Of course you evolutionists are just as biased in your opinions as you think ID proponents are. You people have managed to narrow the definition of science to exclude any minority POV. You have the media, the academic and the establishment bully pulpit from which you can dictate evolutionism POV.3. From a fair and balanced source, Merriam Webster, the following is the definition of science ID theory study can be regarded as a science, interpreting observable design complexity of what exists relative to laws of science, probabilities, archeology etc. Imo, astrology falls short of this in comparison whether or not a man or a court has a different opinion.Notice the testing via scientific methodology is 3rd down from the first general definition of science. Having said the above, I am aware of EvC's position on science but when you say ID is in no way science, that is just false, unfair and unbalanced.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Xong. ID science observes things relative to life, archeology, etc, studies possibilities, probabilities, etc and applies them to applicable science laws to arrive at conclusions.Imo, subatomic coefficients, relativity, QM, etc could be compared to abstract forms of obscure modern art, i.e. (abe:silly design)Edited by Buzsaw, : add phrase

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The first man, according to the Genesis record was designed for a far less violent planet than it became after the fall, so no, the human skull doesn't fit the description of silly design for the environment which it was designed. Edited by Buzsaw, : rewording

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.