Straightforward, hard-to-answer-questions about the Bible/Christianity

You are obviously too stupid and morally lacking to understand such concepts that define a civilized and ethical human being. I will ask my magical teddy bear tonight to help you figure out how you should behave, as it can clearly do it better than you.The exercise above should demonstrate the connotations involved in theists stating that they will pray for atheists. You may not be offended, but it is easy to see why some would.

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I am using "slavery" as per described in the OT.
Were those "taken" allowed to leave or where they forced to stay and work?Were the Hebrews slaves of the Egyptians? Did they have a choice in the matter?Did women "taken" as spoils of war have a choice? Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner. I didnt know you reponded. I'm unsure how I missed it when we get emails that alert us to a response.How are they not specific? A few on this thread have stated the god does not condone slavery. I asked if they were forced to stay and work? I think that defines slavery.I asked about the Hebrews being slaves bc I wanted to compare (I believe it was Denis I was debating) if his defintion of slavery fit that description.I asked if the women has a choice in the matter regarding being taken as spoils of war.I think these are pretty specific questions that do have answers...which you answered. So you lost me here. You say they're unanswerable...then answered them in detail.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So its slavery. Plain and simple. They were TAKEN and FORCED to stay for a time period.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you admit they were taken by force. It also states they were forced to have sex.So you're disagreewing with Denis who stated there was never any slavery condoned by god.Now the actions of forcing women to marry and have sex....even if you want to hide behind the excuse that it was for their benefit..does this sound like something an all powerful god would come up with or manind? Do you think perhaps an all powerful god (we'll use your reasoning about starving to death) could have somehow fed them without the women being forced as slaves and raped?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing. A few states god does not condone rape. I merely pointed out that he did.

Perhaps in his case, judging by what I perceived to be a sarcastic attitude. But overall, are you offended by people who say they will pray for you?Some people are genuine, and it is meant as an endearing gesture, regardless if you think they're wasting their time.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Was that really necessary? If they're being condescending like Artemis, yes. But what about overall? Some people mean no ill will towards you for praying for you. That's a gesture of endearment, like saying, "I'm sorry you're going through such a tough time. I will keep you in my thoughts."

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

If it is someone I know and knows me I take it in the spirit it is meant. Though most that know me would not even say that because they know it means nothing to me.My mother in law says it to me and I know she means it from a good place.But when it comes from someone that does not know me at all and knows I am an atheist, like this condescending buffoon, I take great offense.Do you want to continue to psychoanalyze me?

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Fair enough. To be honest with you, I first read your words. I thought it was strange to be offended by someone praying for you. Then I read Artemis' words and figured you responded that way because he seems to be very sarcastic about it.I was just clarifying.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

LOL, I aint falling for that one. for the 3rd time I am not an apologetic, I do not have to explain anything. I really think the OT, is not that important, for without the NT there would be no christianity, and we'd be having the debate if Ragnarok would ever happen or not. the Walt Disney company did a pretty good Moses and Exodus story a few years back. it had songs, was entertaining (i doubt you could do a better job than Disney, no offense), but in that story Jew were salves and building the pyramids, which I found to be unbelieveable. sure: Plate Tectonics, the Statistical understanding of the 4th deminsion, and Linear Regression Model, I believe these things but they make no sense to me, i just had to memorize what my professors wanted me to regurgitate for the exams, but I did not "learn" it.
another examples is Personal desktop computers, how does all this stuff work? I think its magic. I just plug it in and go, I have no clue what factors into how it works, and i don't care.There is four. as a geographer I must understand the earth, and use a lot of statistical models, with PCs (thank God, no offense to ppl like thoedoric who are offended by thtat statment, for PCs, all this math would be hard otherwise). no it doesn't, you could just be minding your own business, maybe she should CCW. you can put that on me that I have to somehow intervene, as it is my duty. I will a bit cause i said I would and you are not an ass about this like the other d00d is.
Yes and no. the son and the father are part of the same one diety, but different faces of that diety. If your father commits a crime, before you are born, you are not guilty of the same crime. Jesus was like God2.0, the new peaceful version, the evangelizing version, the forgiving version, the non jew version. Its really difficult to explain, I am not a someone who got his degree in this stuff. Im just a common follower in this faith. basically it seems you think the NT god and the OT god are the same, and they are, but you think that the son fo the OT god who is also in the NT is the same as the father in nature and wrath and all that, but he is not in my opinion, then there are these talking heads on the side telling me i have no evidence, even though neither of us have much of anything more than opinions, its just a rediculous topic. as if I am the only one with a search engine aroung here.The Infallibility doctrine has been used 7 times inthe 2000 year history of the church. The idea was 1st brought up in 1870, and has been used once since then (the other 6 instances have been retroactively discussed). there has not been an infallible proclimation in 60 years. If you really cared to know this you would have looked it up.But when it comes from someone that does not know me at all and knows I am an atheist, like this condescending buffoon, I take great offense. [/qs]you started with the strawman, now its straight to Ad hominem. How can I know you are and athiest at the same time that I do not know you at all. you make no snese at all. and you are a huge pussy for getting offended by that. I am not a professional writer, there is no extra meaning in my words, if you read into them and assume my meaning, past what i typed then that is your mistake. if i put something up that is sarcastic, I will say so.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

You truly don't get it. This is the same sactimonious, sarcastic bullshit that makes it offensive when you tell people like me that you will pray for them. First of all you still have not explained why asking you to back your statements is any sort of strawman. I asked for you to show me the strawman and all you do is make another claim that my posts are nothing but strawmen. But amazingly no examples. Secondly, that I told you clearly that I felt your praying for me is offensive should be more than enough for you to know you should let the subject drop. Do you not expect people to stop being offensive when you let them know you are offended. Or do you treat people with different belief systems rudely all the time.Where is the ad hominem ? Because I mentioned to Hyro that you were self righteous religious that does not feel he needs to back up his statements? All I have done is ask you for some sort of argument to back up your claim that another poster was wrong. Your comments since then have shown a religious self righteousness.And now you resort to real name calling. Boy you sure know how to intimidate people in a debate don't you. Well I'll tell you what, how about i say things you find offensive and call you names for pointing it out. Does that sound fair? Who are you to determine what is offensive to me? I told you I was offended by your sarcastic offer to "pray for me", that should be all that needs to be said. But instead you go the "pussy" route. I guess my comments to Hyro are amply justified now. Hyro also could detect sarcasm in the post. If there was no sarcasm it was even more offensive. Your comments since then truly show that you have no regard for others beliefs or feelings. Like another poster stated that probably is not a very good way to convince people of the rightness and glory of christianity.So how about we drop this and maybe you can quit calling me names. I know you will never answer my original request for an explanation or reasoning for your statement. I really never expected you would. If you need to resort to personal attacks, by all means, please continue. I expect nothing less.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Yes. It was intended to be insulting, since you asked for clarification how something was insulting. I believe you now understand its insulting nature first-hand. If only all my explanations could be so instructive. My previous statement involved, nor was meant to imply, ill will. It implied pity for your sorry state.Insulting, isn't it?

Without the Old Testament there wouldn't be a Christianity either. Also, two answers for your denial of apologetics:1 Peter 3:15 - "...Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have..."Second, you came to a discussion forum and posted in a thread called "Straightforward, hard-to-answer-questions about the Bible/Christianity". I am going to ask you straightforward, hard-to-answer questions about the Bible/Christianity. Your participation is optional. I mean a better deal, not presentation value. Do you pick your unevidenced beliefs based on how much you would personally like them to be true? Evidence for these concepts was provided. Is there anything else which you believed where there was no evidence? The evidence that personal computers work is staggering. The evidence for your god is nil. These are not equivalent concepts. I find it hard to believe that a geographer could have graduated any respectable university without at least a cursory understanding of the plate tectonics model, but thats quite off topic. Wow. What a despicable human being. Jesus wasn't kidding when he said Christians had a lot to learn from the parable of the Good Samaritan. Exodus 20:5 "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"God 1.0 in your terminology apparently disagrees. Which one is more powerful? How is this relevant to the question? A problem like this doctrine becomes no less a problem by being old.As for the rest, you will need to reply to a post from HERICTIC for him to get a message, and to aid the post structure.Edited by Phage0070, : threat - threadEdited by Phage0070, : you - your

Artemis will not see beyond his own error-less faith to understand and I think Hyro is still to close to his fundyness to see the point you are trying to make.You have hit the nail on the head on this one. Maybe if a follower of Islam told a Christian that they would pray to Allah and Mohammad for their souls, then the Christians would understand our point. I doubt it, but maybe.Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling

I just prefaced it with no offense, which tells me you are just looking for a fight, you are so offended by the fact that people are not all athiests like you claim to be that you cannot stand it. can somebody be anymore bigoted? every response to anything I say is a twisted corrupts of what I said. so go back to your last say 4 responses to me, its pretty much all you have to say to me. who is on the fucking high horse now? I don't get offended by stupid shit, since you called me a buffoon you obviouly think my shit is stupid too. Wow does anyone take this guy seriously?Are you growing a pearl?

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nothing is fair about you, its all fallacy, i stopped being serious with you and your nonsense after your 1st retard post, i'm just dicking around with some overly sensetive douchebag right now. I am not evangelising, we don't want people like you. you started it, and after i retaliate, you want to give up, roflmfao! vajayjay indeed. I did not deny apologetics, I just said that I was not one. heck yes doesn't everyone? I get it but I do not think its correct. I learned what they wanted me to, played thier game, to get my degree, but I don't buy into it, Barack Hussien Obama was born in the United States (SARCASM), lol. hey fuck you too there is no problem with the doctrine. if so what is it? you really have not said anything other making a snide comment about it. yeah i haven't figured out how to do that, I just got back after being gone for a while and i forgot how to do everythign on this site.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

yeah i messed up, and replied to the wrong guy, sorry. are POWs and Prisoners slaves. Are felons in the penitentery, slaves? as these people are taken and forced to stay for a time period, some for the rest of thier lives? is slavery legal today across the globe? with your definition here it is. "it states" im not sure what it is but okay. I'd like to see it, and read it.I definately disagree with Denis if that is in fact what he stated. BTW it's God. And it definately appears that God condoned slavery, or at least awknowledge its existence, without comdeming it. I'm not a bible scholar, or even a bible reader that is for protestants. Im not sure what Manind is im sure its probably a typo, but i cant figure out what you are asking.
yeah perhaps.Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

Please split your posts according to the people to which you are replying. It greatly aids in readability.If you have forgotten how to do this, simply press the reply button below a particular post and reply in the box to that post. Submit the reply, rinse, and repeat. Actually, no. At this point I have to call Poe's Law on you.However, I will also propose you put your money where your mouth is. I tell you that in one week's time, you will go to a place/state better than the Christian heaven and remain there longer than eternity (it is of course difficult to describe using earthly terms, but it is much better than normal heaven, and arrives sooner!). You don't have to believe, have faith, or even suffer during the next week. The only requirement is that in the next 3 days you send me half of your liquid assets.This is a better deal than Christianity. Your eternal bliss is better and longer, and you have more choices (don't want to eternally praise one being? No problem! You can still do that if you want though). You have no uncertainty about when this reward will come, and you can even commit suicide after you send me your assets and still get the reward!Feel free to contact me through private message for mailing information. A genuine Hawaiian birth certificate constitutes evidence (not sarcasm). Try again. Is that also your position toward Jesus's parable? Contradictory Papal decrees cannot both be upheld by God. Thats the problem.

Praying for somebody and calling them an idiot are two entirely different things, no? Or is it somehow worse if somebody covertly insults versus overtly? I'm asking you to juxtapose Artemis' snarky remarks with someone being genuine. Are you offended by the act of someone praying for you or that they would have the audacity to intentionally insult you in the name of God?

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal