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contracycle
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Message 58 of 208 (160949)
11-18-2004 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by dshortt
11-18-2004 3:35 AM


Re: Back on the Mikey-Go-Round
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And this idea that countless copying of DNA will produce complexity such as big brains and agile hands is where you really lose me. That is putting a whole lot more power into a fairly simple process than I am willing to assign it.
Wind, water and sand will grind a mountain flat. Thats how powerful simple processes can be.

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contracycle
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Message 77 of 208 (162871)
11-24-2004 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by dshortt
11-24-2004 8:23 AM


Re: NS vs Mutation
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Where is this natural mechanism that has been shown to be powerful enough to "create" the vast diversity and complexity of life on earth? Mutation and natural selection have not been shown to have that kind of power. Doesn't it make sense to investigate other possibilities?
Only if you can show why th naturalistic explanataion fails. Mutation, entropy, and billions of years seem perfectly adequate to me to explain the biodiversity we see.
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I am sure you are going to say that given the conditions at the time, the odds of life emerging or the odds of simple life becoming complex life are 1 in 1. But isn't that just an a priori conclusion on your part, ignoring the possibility that it could be the product of design.
You are arguing your conclusion. It is of course POSSIBLE that design was repsonsible, but we would only look for such an absurd explanation after all naturalistic explanations fail. You, instread, claim that starting with the naturalistic possibility is equivalent to starting with the absurd possibility. So, if faced by a body at the bottom of a cliff, you would say that the it was equally reasonable to start investigating whether this person was a climber, as to start investogating whether thaey had been abducted by a UFO and pushed out the airlock at 40,000 feet. As far as you are concerned there is no distinction between these possibilities: both are an "a priori" assumption.

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contracycle
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Message 84 of 208 (163159)
11-25-2004 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by dshortt
11-25-2004 7:54 AM


Re: NS vs Mutation
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Why then are Dawkins, Gould, Kauffman and Prigogine, Eigen, and Francis Crick not convinced that mutation and natural selection are sufficent to produce the full diversity of living forms?
Ergot poisoning?
It's irrelevant anyway. The fact is *I* am convinced. I do not believe merely because a preacher tells me it is true; these named individuals may or may not think what I think, so what?

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