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Message 12 of 208 (160259)
11-16-2004 8:51 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by mike the wiz
11-16-2004 5:48 PM

Re: NS vs Mutation

I'm not saying mutation is impossible for the second mechanism, I'm thinking that very big explosive changes could have God's fingers on them.

I have a problem with that. Let me see if I can explain.

If you take the position that some changes are not simply the result of mutation and Natural Selection, that GOD stepped in and influenced certain changes, I find that it makes GOD out to be simplistic, incompetent and capricious.

For example, why dinosaurs? Why have a whole group of critters that exist, exist successfully for hundreds of millions of years, and then dissappear in a blink of an eye? Why wait billions of years to bring about man? Why, if man is the objective, make man's design so piss poor?

The ToE itself - will be enough for someone who doesn't believe in an intelligent designer. I do. So, I don't "fill gaps" when my position is Theist.

I'm not sure how you can support that position logically. Do you believe man is designed? If so, by GOD? If that is your position, how can you rationalize the really poor design?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 14 of 208 (160266)
11-16-2004 9:36 PM

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11-16-2004 9:18 PM

If you don't mind, let's explore that.

If God intended us, as I obviously believe, then if he used evolution to form us from the dust; His intentions of major change, could be found in this way.

Why do you think GOD intended us? If that were true, why spend all the time developing dinosaurs?

If we assume that what is seen in the evidence of evolution, almost every species that has ever lived lived before man, and most became extinct before man.

Why is all that life less important than mankind?

First of all - I don't believe we are a poor design, and I advise you not bother with giving me the jive -

But the poor design is not an opinion, it is evidence. If you look at ALL living things, they are really poorly built. Not just man, all living things.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 16 of 208 (160309)
11-17-2004 12:58 AM

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11-17-2004 12:51 AM

Re: If you don't mind, let's explore that.

Well, they've had a good long time to work at it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 19 of 208 (160458)
11-17-2004 10:28 AM

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11-17-2004 8:51 AM

That is still based on the idea that humans are an end product

or something that was intended. What makes you think we were something special that GOD intended rather than simply a byproduct of the system?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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