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RAZD
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Message 9 of 64 (515579)
07-19-2009 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Will Seamus Ennis
07-19-2009 10:01 AM


Is this new?
Hi Will Seamus Ennis, and welcome to the fray.
I wonder how much you have really studied this question, as I don't see anything spectacularly new here.
Message 3 One night, we had a visitor at the Affinity Circle at our center who read some poetry about the creation of good and evil, light and darkness. When the young poet was through, he asked for some feedback, and in one of those 'inspirational moments' I responded. "My favorite creation story only has three words:
...It's still happening."
Not knowing what the "Affinity Circle at our center" represents (is it a church or a community center?) I wonder how much depth you have in the various religions of the world.
It looks to me that I need to define what I mean by "intelligence."
Indeed, especially as IDers have tried to shanghai this term and redefine it. Your following text doesn't really do much to explain what you mean, but what I gather is that there is an amorphous intelligence that permeates the universe and directs what happens.
Hence my statement that there is observable intelligence even in the smallest particles.
Pantheism - Wikipedia
quote:
Pantheism (Greek: πάν (pan) = all and θεός (theos) = God, literally "God is all" -ism) is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent God. In pantheism, the Universe (Nature) and God are considered equivalent and synonymous. More detailed definitions tend to emphasize the idea that God is better understood as an abstract principle representing natural law, existence, and the Universe (the sum total of all that was, is and shall be), rather than as an anthropomorphic entity.
Varieties of pantheism
This article distinguishes between three divergent groups of pantheists:
  • Classical pantheism, which is expressed in the immanent God of Kabalistic Judaism, Hinduism, Animism, Monism, neopaganism, and the New Age, generally viewing God in either a personal or cosmic manner.
  • Biblical pantheism, which is expressed in the writings of the Bible with the understanding of personification linguistics as a cultural communication idiom in Hebrew language. [Isa 55:12] [Acts 17:28] [Ps. 90:1]
  • Naturalistic pantheism, based on the relatively recent views of Baruch Spinoza (who may have been influenced by Biblical pantheism) and John Toland (who coined the term "pantheism"), as well as contemporary influences.
... The division between the three strains of pantheism are not entirely clear in all situations, and remains a source of some controversy in pantheist circles. Classical pantheists generally accept the religious doctrine that there is a spiritual basis to all reality, while naturalistic pantheists generally do not and thus see the world in somewhat more naturalistic terms.
We have one member here who has identified himself as a Spinoza Pantheist, iirc.
And expression of intelligence is the Creative Process. This is happening now, as new stars form, as the pressure and heat and radiation create new chemical bonds. New expressions of life are happening as species evolve.
The point in this is that the whole Universe is responding, now in this moment, based on inner repeatable patterns and the conditions it finds. This is intelligence.
It seems to me that you are describing Naturalistic pantheism.
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RAZD
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Message 14 of 64 (515598)
07-19-2009 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Will Seamus Ennis
07-19-2009 4:42 PM


another lead?
Hi again, Will Seamus Ennis.
To RAZD and his/her ...
His, or did you not recognize the portrait icon as me?
I'm not just a pantheist, but a panENtheist, seeing that "God (aka intelligence) as all" and that God (aka intelligence) transcends all, both at the same time.
Ah, perhaps closer to transtheism:
quote:
Transtheistic is a term coined by philosopher Paul Tillich or Indologist Heinrich Zimmer, referring to a system of thought or religious philosophy which transcends theism, and is thus neither theistic nor atheistic.[1]
Zimmer applies the term to the theological system of Jainism, which is theistic in the limited sense that the gods exist, but become immaterial as they are transcended by moksha (that is, a system which is not non-theistic, but in which the gods are not the highest spiritual instance). Zimmer (1953, p. 182) uses the term to describe the position of the Tirthankaras having passed "beyond the godly governors of the natural order".
The term has more recently also been applied to Buddhism,[2] Advaita Vedanta[3] and the Bhakti movement.[4].
Nathan Katz in Buddhist and Western Philosophy (1981, p. 446) points out that the term "transpolytheistic" would be more accurate, since it entails that the polytheistic gods are not denied or rejected even after the development of a notion of the Absolute that transcends them, ...
Y'all have a nice day, y'hear.
Enjoy the journey of discovery.

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