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AdminJar
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Message 2 of 81 (228267)
07-31-2005 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AdminAsgara
07-31-2005 10:28 PM


rigor in the Faith forums
I think it's perfectly reasonable to bring up science the the Faith Forums. However, in the faith forums someone should be free to simply say, "I don't believe that because it goes against my Faith" and have that accepted as sufficient answer.
If someone though wishes to argue the validity of their belief system, then it's certainly appropriate to bring up evidence that supports or refutes their assertion.

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AdminJar
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Message 5 of 81 (228275)
07-31-2005 11:54 PM
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07-31-2005 11:38 PM


Re: rigor in the Faith forums
Why should that ever be a sufficient answer?
Because we are talking about the Faith forums. They are not oriented towards truth, reality or rigor. They are Faith Based.
If someone wishes the simply ignore all the evidence and insist that they believe the universe was created 3000 years after Kenniwick Man lived on the west coast of North America, then that is their belief. They have decided for some reason to simply ignore the existence of the Kenniwick Man. If they wish to believe that the Universe was created 18,000 to 20,000 years after the Venus de Willendorf was created, then that's fine. They have decided for some reason to simply ignore the existence of the Venus de Willendorf.
Faith is based on belief, not fact. I believe in GOD. I cannot prove GOD's existence, I simply believe in Him. In the Faith forums you can certainly ask me why I hold such beliefs, but the simple fact that they ARE my beliefs is sufficient.

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AdminJar
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Message 7 of 81 (228277)
08-01-2005 12:02 AM
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07-31-2005 11:17 PM


Re: rigor in the Faith forums
I believe that it is absolutely reasonable to present scientific evidence that might support or refute a religious belief. What I don't think is reasonable would be to suspend someone in the Faith forums who simply will not accept evidence based on their belief system.
If someone in the science forum said "The Universe is 6000 years old" they would be expected to provide evidence that supported such an assertion. If they failed to provide it when requested, it would be reasonable to suspend them. However, in the Faith forums such a statement could be supported by "Because that's what I believe!"

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AdminJar
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Message 9 of 81 (228279)
08-01-2005 12:09 AM
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08-01-2005 12:02 AM


Re: rigor in the Faith forums
Well, suppose I said that the universe was 6000 years old and used Ussher's calculations (I never have understood why he bothered with the calculations. Why not just ask a Rabbi?) to support it in one of the Faith forums?
I believe that it would be perfectly reasonable, infact necessary, for someone to post the evidence that refutes Ussher's calculations. The original poster would be free to say, "Fine, I don't believe that" but the basis for the two beliefs would be out there for all to see.
On the science forum side though, I would find Ussher's calculations as totally off topic and of no worth at all. In the Faith Forums though they would stand as reason for someones belief system.

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Message 80 of 81 (228825)
08-02-2005 11:53 AM
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08-02-2005 11:46 AM


Suggestion.
If you believe what you have said then return to the Great Debate thread on Deposition and Erosion of Sediments. I will reopen it for your continued debate.

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