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New Cat's Eye

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Message 12 of 50 (418614)
08-29-2007 10:12 AM

Reply to: Message 2 by Taz
08-28-2007 7:39 PM

Most people nowadays seem to have this weird idea that being a christian somehow equates to being a good person. All criminals have to do is say "I've found jesus" or "I'm a christian" and people will automatically assume they're good people.

Come on, now. That's not all they have to do and people don't automatically assume that. That's just disingenuous, but I guess its a matter of opinion.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of all this "well, I'm a christian" bullshit. People actually say this to my face thinking it will make me think they are better people than I am.

But I do know what you talkin' 'bout, Willis.

I was traveling in a new city looking for a drink. I came across a random local and asked: "Hey, where's the nearest liquor store?"

His response:

"Pfft, I'm a Christian."

and I was all:

*shrugs "Cool, me too... so where's it at?"

and then he got offended.

I was pretty pissed. How dare he Pfft at me

and look down on me as an inferior christian just because I drank and he didn't.

And he didn't even give me the directions!

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Message 31 of 50 (418814)
08-30-2007 12:24 PM

Reply to: Message 30 by crashfrog
08-30-2007 9:18 AM

Re: What in the world was that boy thinking?

There was nothing divine about the love her family has for each other and for that man; nothing divine in the least about the strength they found in themselves and each other from that love.

How do you know that?

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Message 33 of 50 (418826)
08-30-2007 1:09 PM

Reply to: Message 32 by crashfrog
08-30-2007 12:48 PM

How do you know that?

Aside from the fact that there is nothing divine?

Heh, well, you can't know that either.

But yeah.

But nobody who actually was in the family - who represented the core of strength and support I saw that week - mentioned God at all, to my recollection.

Right on. But still, it isn't evidence for the lack of god's involvement.

It was abundantly obvious that they had no need of divine help to be loving human beings; their own natures were more than sufficient.

Cool, thanks for the explanation.

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Message 35 of 50 (418833)
08-30-2007 1:52 PM

Reply to: Message 34 by crashfrog
08-30-2007 1:35 PM

A man is laying there dying of congestive heart failure after the strain of taking care of his ill wife - literally, he loved her to death - and God's involvement is, what, exactly?

I don't really know but in that situation, I would say "Not much".

I was thinking on a deeper level in that God is responsible for bringing Love to our world in the first place. In a way, he'd be involved in all love.

It's not at all clear to me what you think wouldn't have happened if God, in fact, had not been involved. What would have been different?

Probably nothing.

If God wanted to get involved - how about doing something about the whole death and pain of loss?

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

LOL

just kidding.

I don't know why god does things the way he does, if he's even actually doing anything. He might just be letting nature run its course.

So, he takes a bunch of apes and gives them a greater consciousness and the capacity to love, then lets them go and lets nature run its course.

What you said in Message 30 was:

There was nothing divine about the love her family has for each other and for that man; nothing divine in the least about the strength they found in themselves and each other from that love.

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There very well could be divinity in that love and there's no way for you to know that there isn't. Sure, you can assume there's not, but you can't say so matter of factly that its not there and not even in the least.

Saying that if there was then god should do this or why doesn't he do that are questions that can't be answered.

P.S. Have you tried Battlefield 2142? Are you into FPS's? Its pretty kick-ass.

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