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Author Topic:   Hydroplates unchallenged young earth explains Tectonics shortcomings!
edge
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Message 3 of 197 (83194)
02-04-2004 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by simple
02-04-2004 10:30 PM


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There are so many things,...
I agree, there are a lot of things...
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...like scattered undersea volcanoes that the Hydroplate clearly explains much better ...
Good, then please explain them.
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...than the embattled plate tectonic theory!
Embattled? Oh, I get it! Sort of like how someYECs say that evolution is about to collapse ... for the last 150 years!
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Like "..if a chain of volcanoes means it's plate is drifting, does an isolated volcano mean a plate is not drifting?"
I didn't know that plate tectonics was supposed to explain EVERYTHING... Please confirm this before proceeding. Or do you think that no one ever noticed that there are isolated volcanos?

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edge
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Message 13 of 197 (83417)
02-05-2004 2:21 PM
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02-04-2004 11:24 PM


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Well, Mr Brown says that if they were, as claimed by proponents of pt THEORY indicitations that a plate was drifting would it not stand to reason isolated ones would seem to speak to a logical mind of some other possibility?
This does not explain the isolated islands. Please address my questions. If Walt's theory is so explanatory, what is the explanation?
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..I didn't know that plate tectonics was supposed to explain EVERYTHING ...
wow how easy you go on the ropes, no wonder no one will actually debate Walt! Of course pt doesn't explain everything!
There are obviously several reasons why there would be isolated islands in the ocean. All of them compatible with PT. My point is that, like a typical absolutist, you seem to expect PT to explain everything and if it doesn't it is invalid.
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(It's only, like evolution a THEORY!)
I recommend that you refer to your dictionary regarding the definition of 'theory'. As far as I know we all refer to evolution as a theory. What is your point here?

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edge
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Message 135 of 197 (84291)
02-07-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by johnfolton
02-07-2004 11:57 AM


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The Hawaiian Islands formed because of plastic liquid rock and water erupting out of the earth, ...
Water erupted from the earth at Hawaii? Can you document this?

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edge
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Message 141 of 197 (84385)
02-07-2004 11:37 PM
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02-07-2004 5:59 PM


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edge, It says the seamounts are venting hydrothermal flows, etc...
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/HCV/loihi.html
Indeed, but it does not say that the waters are juvenile. In general, oceanic basalts are considered dry.
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In 1970, our ideas about the seamount changed drastically following an expedition that went to Loihi to study an earthquake swarm (intense, repeated seismic activity) that had just occurred there. It was revealed that Loihi was a young, active volcano, rather than an old dead seamount from a bygone aeon.
Just as plate tectonics would predict, by the way.
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The volcano is mantled with young and old lava flows and is activly venting hydrothermal fluids at it's summit and south rift zone.
Yes, the fluids are recirculated ocean water and not water derived from the mantle.

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edge
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Message 154 of 197 (84562)
02-08-2004 9:11 PM
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02-08-2004 1:23 AM


Re: recirculated ocean water
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Creationists frequently get challenged to support their assertions.
Just for "grins", I'm going to devils advocate challenge you to support the above quoted.
Trouble maker Moose
Your vote of confidence is noted.
According to an old text (Hyndman, 1972), at Hawaii, the water content of tholeitic basalt varies from 1 to 2.5% in the early phases and then drops of to 0.2 to 0.7% in later, gas-poor phases of the eruptions. You can compare that to other contents given by Joe above. These are relatively dry magmas, which is evidenced by their minearlogy.
The water erupting from hydrothermal vents is usually meteoric even at the mid-ocean ridges. This supported by the presence of altered MORBs and isotopic evidence that I do not have handy right now. I'll check into it further.

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edge
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Message 155 of 197 (84563)
02-08-2004 9:23 PM
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02-08-2004 1:23 AM


Re: recirculated ocean water
Here is a diagram from the vents project that show how they think hydrothermal solutions circulate at the mid-ocean ridges. Look at some of the pages and look for diagrams. I think the chemistry page has one.
Vents Around the World - Dive & Discover

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Message 157 of 197 (84570)
02-08-2004 9:39 PM
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02-08-2004 9:24 PM


Re: water content
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Here's a picture of the plume rising upward, how do you measure the amount of water in an exploding plume, etc...It could well be up to 90 percent, even though it's not the initial eruption, etc...
If it is so hard to measure, how did AIG get 90%?
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P.S. It seemed they were measuring the magma, not the plume exploding upward, etc...
Yes, that would be pertinent to the subject of this thread.

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edge
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Message 160 of 197 (84585)
02-08-2004 10:20 PM
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02-08-2004 10:02 PM


Re: water content
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How does one get close enough to the plume to know one way or the other, to refute your black licorice claim, etc...
THe same way AIG got there to measure the 90% water!

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edge
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Message 193 of 197 (85593)
02-11-2004 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by TrueCreation
02-11-2004 6:01 PM


Re: and then there was one!
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--I guess that when replying to my post #166, you forgot to click the submit button, my friend.
I don't expect you will get a response. Simple is playing usual YEC game of ignoring anything that one doesn't understand or is inconvenient to one's dogma.

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