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Message 42 of 167 (208805)
05-16-2005 7:52 PM
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05-16-2005 6:17 PM


Re: Sidelined
We know nothing.
Remember that.
We can't describe a heaven.
We can't describe a God.
Don't even start thinking about what heaven would be like, with "wonders".
We simply weren't built to know.
I know, it's disappointing.

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Message 51 of 167 (209170)
05-17-2005 9:09 PM
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05-16-2005 10:45 PM


Re: Sidelined
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Not true, we know much about the world and the forces at work in it.
We of course do not know everything but we have only very recently in our history begun to ask the proper questions of nature and in the last century,with the advent of applying scientific methods of investigation to all fields of human endevour that huge advances in understanding have been accomplished.
We know nothing (of God)
Can you be more specific with this statement?
"through our common history."
quote:
It is far more probable that these concepts are the result of human beings and their states of emotion and interaction with others
That's very tangible for access

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 53 of 167 (209185)
05-17-2005 9:47 PM
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05-17-2005 9:22 PM


If the earliest ppl exhibited a spiritual existence, a belief in God
how then is it not natural?

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Message 60 of 167 (209453)
05-18-2005 5:34 PM
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05-18-2005 2:29 AM


What is natural is not illusory.
I don't know if I want to get too involved in this because your view is seemingly limited.
You assume that the earliest ppl were afraid of the world around them, yet why aren't we?
Accordingly, if some beast(s) made a gradual change to eventually become human they would have been raised by a race?
Had some sort of instinct or tradition?
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Message 63 of 167 (209485)
05-18-2005 7:45 PM
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05-18-2005 6:14 PM


To get a better feel for your point of view can you answer the following question?
Why are we here?

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 65 of 167 (209515)
05-18-2005 9:19 PM
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05-18-2005 8:39 PM


hmm
I think that you are mistaken,
in that reasoning to see a God is not a false notion.
If we are biased we are biased only because of this world that we are in (which is in no way wrong) to see a God.
Saying mystery is a convenient way to word the limitations of self, of that we don't know why we are here and may never know.
Who's to say this isn't plausible or not "false" reasoning. You certainly can't. You are human also. You are heavily biased whether you would wish to believe so or not. It is human to think that your reasoning is correct.
quote:
our preconcieved but false notions.
The first human beings thought process and reasoning wasn't preconcieved, they were living it. You must realize that they had the knowledge, the experience.
Your closing statement led me to ponder this question, I do believe we have purpose but if this existence has no purpose and is completely random, if this world possesses only random qualities...
How can life have a purpose when there is no purpose for being here like you stated?

listen to phil collins and nas

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Message 69 of 167 (209841)
05-19-2005 10:48 PM
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05-19-2005 2:41 AM


Re: hmm
I think we agree for the most part or at least, your point of view is respectable and would have no reason or need to dispute what u wrote.
You came to a decnt conclusion

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