On Kinds... again.

Uh, Mandy, "miracle"?If you want to believe in miracles that is fine with everyone. However, miracles are not science. Miracles belong in church.If you wish to stay with your beliefs and are content that they belong in church then I sure don't have any arguement with you. There is really nothing to discuss unless you are particularly interested in learning about other ideas.If however you wish to meddle in the teaching of science because you think you have something to say about science then we do have something to discuss. However, miracles are religion not science so you have to leave them at the church door.If you want to use miracles then you don't have to define "kind" or worry about the catch-22 of the ark. God simply magiced it all. There is no need for fundamentalists wasting their time doing "baraminology" or disussin the carrying capacity of the ark.Obvisously, since there are many fundamentalists who do spend a lot of time and ink on these topics most of them disagree with you.

Mandy, I guess I am trying to clarify what you view is.If miracles are part of the explanation then 'kind' isn't an issue and this topic is about the definition of kinds.As I pointed out most fundamentalisits seem to disagree with you and seem to think that defining kind and how they rapidly evolved after the flood is important.

I don't usually get into these biblical arguements since I certainly am not an expert but:Leviticus 11:6
The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for youFrom the NIV, ( I don't know if that is a "good" bible or not).This agrees with you that the rabbit isn't kosher but because of it's feet not because of it's cud chewing habits.It seems that rabbits do chew their cud!! That is sure a surprise to me (and I would think to the rabbits too )

Ok, thanks. I have no idea about the quality of the translations. Perhaps some of those knowledgable in Hebrew can help here? I don't suppose it matters much does it?The writers of the bible simply didn't understand much rabbit physiology is just as likely as the translations being wrong I would think.

Well then Mendy, I think you will find that you don't have many arguments with the science based thinkers here then. Most of us don't have any intention of fighting with individuals religeous beliefs as such.We do argue about any natural "proofs" of the supernatural. And we really fight with any attempt to mess with the teaching of science by those who pretend that they have scientific demonstarations of thier religious ideas.If you wish to believe in miracles and wish to believe most anything you are welcome to it. Just don't think that anyone who is more interested in how the natural world works is going to be all that interested in how one individual precieves the supernatural world.