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Message 54 of 300 (344267)
08-28-2006 11:59 AM

Reply to: Message 37 by joshua221
08-27-2006 10:58 PM

Re: Question to Evc

Why were we created by God?

So he could love us and we could love him, I suspect (although the true answer probably has more facets to it than this). Similar, although not the same as, us having children (in the 'noblest' sense). Children happen when love happens. They are a product of love.

The question is the most important question ever asked. The most complex question ever asked.

I disagree. I think the most important question ever asked is "Does God exist?"

It is an incredibly complex question (were it to remain couched in that way). A long history of failing to arrive at definitive, objective (to all) conclusions demonstrates I think, the impossibility that man ever shall shall arrive at such an answer in the future. We have had opportunity enough.

Now if it were couched differently then a man might well get somewhere. A good way to reframe the question (for it also re-frames the approach) would be:

"God - do you exist?"

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Message 58 of 300 (344286)
08-28-2006 12:57 PM

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08-28-2006 12:46 PM

Re: Question to Evc

you know, I asked him that once

I take it you pursued (or will pursue) your wife/husband/job/hobbies et al with a little more gusto than that. Like I said, posing it that way reframes the approach. Make love to the question so posed - don't go for a quickie against the parking lot wall.

A chap from industry came into give us 3rd year engineering students a lecture on life in the real world. He asked us to think for a minute and come up with a novel type of lawnmower.

One chap down the back piped up after 10 seconds or so "gentically modify grass to grow at normal rates in the beginning, then get it to slow right down for the rest of the time. Get rid of the need for a novel lawnmower"

The industrialist pondered this for a moment and responded: "I would like you, Sir, to join my company whenever you have finished your education"

Think laterally

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Message 60 of 300 (344337)
08-28-2006 3:37 PM

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08-28-2006 2:44 PM

Re: Question to Evc

Doesn't hurt to be a Bible lateralist either.

Certainly not. Far better than being a Bible Contortionist, Delusionalist, Illusionist...or even more Alice-in-Wonderlandingly; an a-la-carte Bible Liberalist. ("I'll have Mark to start, Matthew for main course (medium rare). I'll skip Luke and (cos he wasn't there). You can put John in a doggy bag - thanks. Oh! and regarding allergens - there's no Paul in any of this, is there?)

(Ever read anything by Edward de Bono?)

Never 'eard of 'em m8. Ever listened to U2's Bono?

Album "How to dismantle an atomic bomb"

Track: "Yahweh"

Take these shoes
Click clacking down some dead end street
Take these shoes
And make them fit
Take this shirt
Polyester white trash made in nowhere
Take this shirt
And make it clean, clean
Take this soul
Stranded in some skin and bones
Take this soul
And make it sing

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born (et tu Bono, et tu?)
Yahweh, Yahweh
Still I'm waiting for the dawn

Take these hands
Teach them what to carry
Take these hands
Don't make a fist
Take this mouth
So quick to criticise (*blush*)
Take this mouth
Give it a kiss

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born
Yahweh, Yahweh
Still I'm waiting for the dawn

Still waiting for the dawn, the sun is coming up
The sun is coming up on the ocean
This love is like a drop in the ocean (understatement: not usually Bono's strongpoint)
This love is like a drop in the ocean

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born
Yahweh, tell me now
Why the dark before the dawn? (C'mon Bono - that's easy)

Take this city
A city should be shining on a hill
Take this city
If it be your will
What no man can own, no man can take
Take this heart
Take this heart
Take this heart
And make it break

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Message 63 of 300 (344348)
08-28-2006 4:04 PM

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08-28-2006 3:49 PM

Re: Question to Evc

So you're giving that up? Good to hear.

3/10

He invented the term "lateral thinking".

I'm sure someone invented the term 'sex'. But by definition people didn't need the term in order to engage in the activity

Never 'eard of 'em m8

3/10

So, how's the campaign going to just say "no" to EvC? I see you still can't resist me.

Quite well actually. I thought it would be harder than it is. However, the bible says we should feed on milk before meat. I take its advice in general so I looked around a bit

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Message 65 of 300 (344352)
08-28-2006 4:20 PM

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08-28-2006 4:17 PM

Re: Question to Evc

glug..glug..

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Message 118 of 300 (344871)
08-29-2006 7:51 PM

Reply to: Message 103 by joshua221
08-29-2006 2:45 PM

When you're young...

Not to be another one getting on your back Prophex - for the simple reason that me (along with those who are doing so), once thought in not dissimilar fashion to yourself. But it is as Paul Weller once wrote - when he was in the transition period between were you are and were we are now.

quote:
When you're young - The Jam

Life is timeless, days are long when you're young
You used to fall in love with everyone
Any guitar and any bass drum
Life is a drink and you get drunk when you're young
Life is new and there's things to be done
You can't wait to be grown up
Acceptance into the capital world
You pull on some weed, then you pull on someone when you're young

But you find out life isn't like that
It's so hard to comprehend
Why you set up your dreams to have them smashed in the end

But you don't mind you've got time on your side
And they're never gonna make you stand in line
You're just waiting for the right time

You're fearless and brave - you can't be stopped when you're young
You swear you're never ever gonna work for someone
No corporations for the new age sons
Tears of rage roll down your face
But still you say "it's fun"

And you find out life isn't like that
It's so hard to understand
Why the world is your oyster but your future's a clam

It's got you in its grip before you're born
It's done with the use of a dice and a board
They let you think you're king but you're really a pawn

You're fearless and brave - you can't be stopped when you're young
You used to fall in love with everyone
Any guitar and any bass drum

Naturally the 'they' he refers to are subject to the exact same thing of which he spoke. An glitch in his thinking which he would no doubt correct were he writing it today. Otherwise, reasonably nail on the head stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDipaj-hUIc&mode=related&...

And one day the music videos you look at now will appear as dated. What they sing of will be precisely the same. Truly there is nothing new under the sun - says the teacher.

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