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riVeRraT
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Message 52 of 300 (344232)
08-28-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
08-26-2006 8:42 PM


The true freedom that you desire, can not exist on this planet. We are slaves to the planet. Take away all the political BS, and everyone that exists around you, and you think you are free?
You would have to grow, and hunt your own food, and struggle to survive. You would be a slave to sickness and desease that would otherwise be easily curable. You would not be able to experience love.
The kind of freedom you are thinking of could only exist by yourself, or in heaven, yet you desire this freedom co-existing with other people. Our current nation is the by-product of freedom. The fact that we can walk into a supermarket and buy just about any kind of food we want, instead of laboring to grow our own, is a freedom expressed through society. Think of all the benifits that we get to enjoy because of our freedom. But we must work to attain them. All the things you think are your freedoms being taken away from you are actually the bu-products of those very freedoms, compounded by living with others on this earth.
True freedom can only exist in your mind, and is very subjective. Jesus said, once you know the truth, then the truth will set you free. What did He mean by that? Maybe your answer exist in His words.
True freedom would also mean that there would be no economic systems, because there would be no need for money, no need for primitive currencies to buy and sell, all of which limits the freedoms of the people, forced to use the system constructed or be a hopeless starving wanderer.
Russia thought what they were doing was exactly this. It's funny because I just did a job for a guy who came from Russia 12 years ago, and he was describing what it was like to live there. He said there was very little, if none at all, classifications of people, and that if you were "poor, or rich" you both went to the same school. Everything is taken care of for you. There are no starving people. But then there is the black market, a product of free thinking.
We examined the propaganda here in the USA, and how things are packaged for us, then presented to us through the media. We are brain washed so that all a politician has to do is push the right buttons to get us to respond. The cartoons my kids watch are completely stupid, and full of ideas, and moral teachings that I do not wish to have them learn. I am sure Bugs Bunny was a pre curser to all this, as innocent as Bugs Bunny seems to me. It's ok for my kids to play with ug-gi-oh cards and summon demons, yet it's not ok for them to worship God. We celebrate Santa-Claus, not Jesus on Christmas. All this is not an absolute, but just an observation of how things are. There is truth in it. There is truth in what you notice, about freedom.
This thread started with "true freedom", but I feel that true freedom only exists outside what we see in the physical world, and is only present within our minds. Freedom is in transcending what is real, as did Siddhartha, and Christ. The only valid purpose that one can speak of, a purpose with any meaning at all is a purpose that Christ spoke of, to love the rest of your kind in this absurd existance. Because there is nothing else that is good and righteous to live for. Let us seek this freedom called truth, for nothing in this existance can ever be meaningful except for knowing why. Knowing why we are here, and why we exist. That's true freedom.
So I guess we agree.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 119 of 300 (344892)
08-29-2006 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by joshua221
08-28-2006 5:41 PM


I don't care about the benefits, you can have mine.
Then you don't care much about human life. Don't be so selfish and omit yourself from the human race, because Jesus said so, or whatever.
We are to love one another, and by exchanging and sharing benifits, like your music, or mine, we can do just that.

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