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Message 11 of 270 (434463)
11-15-2007 10:44 PM

Reply to: Message 2 by FliesOnly
11-15-2007 9:53 AM

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Well, I guess I'm gonna jump in on this one a bit early...cuz I have a feeling that eventually this is going to turn in primarily a discussion between you on one side, and Crashfrog on the other (with nator joining in as well). And to be honest, I'm looking forward to that debate.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Message 17 of 270 (434936)
11-18-2007 7:14 AM

Reply to: Message 6 by macaroniandcheese
11-15-2007 12:01 PM

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well, that brings out the question of whether men and women have distinct cultures, which they might, as many of the cultures which practice fgm have segregated societies. in which case, it is not an imposition on the men, because it's effects on their culture may be negligible.

A woman in one of those cultures that hasn't had her clitoris cut off and her vulva sewn up isn't marriagable, and marriage and giving birth to lots of sons is the only thing that can lift a woman's status.

And, not being able to enjoy sex, and in fact, having it probably be painful, is an excellent way to control what women do sexually. Why on earth would your wife ever stray to a better lover if she takes no pleasure in the sex act?

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Message 25 of 270 (435004)
11-18-2007 2:19 PM

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11-18-2007 1:12 PM

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You don't have to respond but I'd suggest reading the literature at the FGM & MGM post I made. In particular there was a study... by a feminist no less... that found strong indications that the majority of women who had clitorectomies were able to enjoy sex and have orgasms.

Yeah.

And you could also find slaves after the Civil War who yearned for the good old days when they were owned.

Do you therefore think that slavery should be legal?

...for cultural reasons?

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By the way, are you arguing that a woman should stray from her husband if she finds a better lover?

No.

I am saying that FGM is a really good way to control women's sexuality.

FGM has everything to do with men's insecurity over who the father of their children are.

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Message 45 of 270 (435118)
11-19-2007 7:24 AM

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11-18-2007 9:14 PM

Re: Evidence!

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You ain’t gwine to believe dat de slaves on our plantation didn’t stop workin’ for old marster, even when they was told dat they was free. Us didn’t want no more freedom than us was gittin’ on our plantation already. Us knowed too well dat us was well took care of, wid a plenty of vittles to eat and tight log and board houses to live in. De slaves, where I lived, knowed after de war dat they had abundance of dat somethin’ called freedom, what they could not eat, wear, and sleep in. Yes, sir, they soon found out dat freedom ain’t nothin’, ”less you is got somethin’ to live on and a place to call home. Dis livin’ on liberty is lak young folks livin’ on love after they gits married. It just don’t work. No, sir, it las’ so long and not a bit longer. Don’t tell me! It sho’ don’t hold good when you has to work, or when you gits hongry. You knows dat poor white folks and niggers has got to work to live, regardless of liberty, love, and all them things.
Ezra Adams, 83, emancipated in South Carolina

Google *FGM control women's sexuality*.

You will get over 300,000 hits.

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Message 52 of 270 (435221)
11-19-2007 9:56 PM

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11-19-2007 5:38 PM

Re: Evidence!

Jon, you are not worth paying attention to.

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Message 186 of 270 (436249)
11-24-2007 7:47 PM

Reply to: Message 142 by molbiogirl
11-24-2007 12:12 AM

Re: 2... Multi v Mono culture (to molbio)

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You loves to do some assumin', doncha, H?

Just so you know, in the past, H has been very fond of not addressing what you actually say, but a modified, strawman version of what you say, and then argue against that.

Then the rest of the thread was usually bogged down in trying, in vain, to correct his misrepresentations of your position.

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