Eco-Guilt

Whether or not Global Warming can be directly attributed to human beings, is it not unconscionable for sanctimonious Green-types to try and guilt people in to giving money so that we can repent for our eco-sins? How is that any different than scumbag televangelists tithing?Are carbon credits not the biggest scam imaginable? People look at Al Gore as if some kind of a prophet. Is it not apparent that his blustering is really just precious face-time for the camera? Nobel Peace Prize? Are you serious?I call BULLSHIT! I mean that literally, watch the links Part IPart IIPart III

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

Well, the first thing is that this thread is about carbon credits and people who manipulate global warming to their own ends. I won't pretend, though, that I exactly trust the "experts" on the issue for the sole fact that there are money making agendas. Recycling is BIG business started off of a bald faced lie. California and other states extort its residents through unnecessary smog testing, which started out with good intentions, but snowballed in to a money making scheme. The auto industries have racked in the dough riding the eco-trend. On and on. Agenda's tend to skew things here and there, and tip things in other's favor.Somebody else makes an excellent point: That correlation does not necessarily equal causation. The fact is that the earth is warming. This could be part of a cyclical trend or it could be attributed to humans. I don't think, however, that the debate is closed on the issue. I think it's just begun.I think the scariest thing is that, without even realizing it, the whole eco-movement is becoming more like a religion and less like what it ought to be. And Al Gore is their prophet.I agree that emissions should be controlled and monitored. I agree that it is good practice to conserve energy. I agree that it could be possible that global warming is directly attributed to mankind's lax attitude. What I don't agree with is the hysteria-induced mania, the fear mongering, the exaggerations, the guilt trips, and the outright lies. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Added a little informationEdited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

But that's just it. They don't have a consensus on the matter. There are more dissenters to the prevailing belief than what is known. For every good thing they think they're doing with the Kyoto Protocol, human beings are directly affected because of these mandates that strip their ability to work.It was like the ban of DDT... This ban killed millions upon millions of people in the interest of... saving millions upon millions of people? Hmmmmmm...

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

I concur. I share the same sentiments you do on the subject. If it is anthropogenically caused, then, yes, we should be doing something. I also agree with some people that even if it isn't, we should still do something until it is completely verified. We know things like pollution is a problem. Go to Salt Lake City, Utah sometime. Absolutely disgusting. It makes Los Angeles look like some remote part of New Zealand. China and India are just absurdly ridiculous with the amount of smog in the atmosphere. For this reason and other similar ones, pollution should be controlled. I agree with reduction of emissions, energy conservation plans, responsible waste management, etc, but what I don't agree with is the hysteria, the fear mongering, the embellishments, and the outright fallacies expressed to exploit the agenda.I also agree that there is terrific evidence that the earth is warming. But as someone else stated, correlation does not necessarily equal causation. It may be purely incidental. It also may be completely natural, as there are a myriad of natural explanations for the phenomenon.As you shared, the geologic evidence alone shows that climatological patterns have been studied showing a wave of cold and hot climates throughout earth's history. The debate is not over, unlike the Governator stated. Let us simply proceed with caution and open-mindedness on the subject.

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

Actually that has been known to happen, now that you mention it. I find it appalling that scientists be asked to find out what's going on with the climate, then when they give them an answer, it isn't what the powers-that-be want to hear, so they get run out of a job because of it. If that is not the spirit of this thread, the shilling, the scams, the schemes, the manipulation, then I don't know what is.

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

That would be an inconvenient truth... Now, infidel, you will be cast for all eternity to an ozone-filled hell for daring to challenge me!

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

Owned!

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--

I just knew it would turn in to a debate about global warming instead of what it was supposed to be about. So now I'm bored. The global warming debate is just so back and forth with no ground gained, honestly. Not to mention how subjective it is. Futile...

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"The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money." --Margaret Thatcher--