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Author Topic:   Randman's call for nonSecular education...
jar
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Message 28 of 226 (259676)
11-14-2005 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by arachnophilia
11-14-2005 2:59 PM


Re: didn't read the whole post yet
In addition, the political organization of the various tribal groups, particularly the Iroquois Confederacy and the earlier Mid-Atlantic Confederacy that went into the concept of balance of powers and a means of extending membership beyond the individual tribal configuration.

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Message 42 of 226 (259759)
11-14-2005 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
11-13-2005 4:02 AM


I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...
afterall, no other movement in history has been as violent, intolerant, misogynistic, destructive of other societies, cultures, customs and knowledge or has done more, and is currently doing more, to keep people in ignorance.
While there is much I admire about Christianity, it is also essential that all facets, those good and those bad, be presented to all the young kids in the US.

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Message 45 of 226 (259804)
11-15-2005 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by randman
11-15-2005 1:18 AM


Re: I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...
Actually, most of what I was refering to is not the Roman Catholics but rather the Protestants, people like John Knox, Henry, Elizabeth, Reverend Dole. Christian Missionaries that pulled Native American children into Missionary schools, changed their names, cut their hair, destroyed their culture, refused to let them speak their language or practice their religion.
The Roman Catholics too come in for criticism. Look at what they did to the cultures in the Americas. For burning all the books of the Aztecs and Incas.
But killing people is not the whole problem. The big issue is that Christianity tends to destroty cultures. Unlike Islam which has historically been very tolerent of other cultures and religions until very recently, or Judaism that has been the subject of Christian Pogroms for millenia, or Budhism, Christianity has had a tradition of total intolerance.
In addition, there are issues such as the misogynistic traits that can be seen even today.
No, we need to teach the little kids the truth, so that hopefully, as they grow up, should they choose to be Christians, they purge the Faith of folk like Pat Roberston, Jerry Falwell, Benny Hinn and others.

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Message 48 of 226 (259816)
11-15-2005 1:51 AM
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11-15-2005 1:46 AM


Re: I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...
Please try reading what people post and for once, responding to what someone really says instead of wandering off into your willfully ingnorant rendition of what has been said.

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Message 49 of 226 (259817)
11-15-2005 1:55 AM
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11-15-2005 1:49 AM


Re: I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...
You have expressed that belief on numerous occasions. So far you have shown no evidence that secularism denigrates religion.

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Message 51 of 226 (259825)
11-15-2005 2:09 AM
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11-15-2005 2:06 AM


Re: I think it's essential that Christianity be covered in secular schools...
Please read, if you can, what I have posted in its entirety. Do not try your usual tactics of quotemining my comments, rephrasing what I have said or playing moving definitions.
The record is here for all to read.

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Message 136 of 226 (260217)
11-16-2005 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Silent H
11-16-2005 8:51 AM


Re: OK, let's teach the Bible in public schools
Frankly I don't see all the religious instruction he suggests getting taught in the limited timeframe he sets, which already takes up too much time.
It can be done, and the proof is that in at least one case, it has been done. In the thread about whether or not sacred studies shouold be taught in schools I pointed to one such example. It is neither easy or cheap, but certainly possible.
One answer will open the door to other faiths being taught previous and concurrent with Xianity, the other will likely kill off any support he might get from other Xians.
I believe that your asumptions will be doubly true. It will open the door to other faiths being taught, and even to the realization that there is not even something that can be called THE Christianity or THE Bible. There are several Canons and so several different Bibles, not just differing translations but different definitions of which books are included and which books should be excluded.
Those factors will certainly lead many of the Christian community to oppose any such program. In particular, the Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians will oppose this since they are so unsure of their own beliefs that they fear any challenge.

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Message 138 of 226 (260221)
11-16-2005 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Chiroptera
11-16-2005 11:47 AM


Re: OK, let's teach the Bible in public schools
That was true at the time of Jesus, and for thousands of years before that. The Talmudic discourses show that this is not a new issue. And it shows that the ancient solution, one that has worked for many many centuries, is to acknowledge that diversity and embrace it.

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