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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, randman, let's say that we do as you advise and spend years and years of time teaching American schoolchildren all about the Bible.
...which Bible? And who's interpretation of that Bible?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK, randman, let's say that we do as you advise and spend years and years of time teaching American schoolchildren all about the Bible.
...which Bible? And who's interpretation of that Bible?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Zhimbo tells me that he took a class called "Values" quite early on, in grade school. He's still asleep so I can't ask him about it at the moment, but he seemed to think, when we spoke of it in the past, that it was a basic sort of "treat others as you would want to be treated" sort of class. Nothing religious.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, all Catholics are, indeed, Christians. It's only some kinds of Catholic-hating Protestants that classify Catholics as non-Christians. I was raised Catholic, and everyone I knew in church always though of themselves as Christian.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Let's go ahead and extensively teach the Bible, over many years, to all public school children as you urge, randman.
Which Bible? And who's interpretation of which Bible?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't know if I believe this. If we are going to teach "The Bible" then what does that mean, exactly? There are many different versions of the Bible, and many more interpretations of each of those versions. Some of them vary widely, and each claim that there's alone is the correct interpretation. It is impractical to teach all of them, or even many of them, so only a few can be chosen to teach. What I want to know from randman is, which ones should we teach?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Oh, yes, understanding how science and technology works is quite useless, since science has such a small impact on our everyday lives...
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And I already told you that nobody is ignoring theology and religion in the public schools. Just because I didn't spend half my school time studying theology and religion doesn't mean it was ignored. So, you do realize that the more time spent on in-dept religious history, the less time spent on things like spelling, reading, writing, arithmatic, etc. It's starting to sound like you want to move closer to what the radical imam-run Islamic schools dis under the Taliban in Afghanistan; teach only the koran to the exclusion of all else. And you still haven't answered holmes about why should christian protestantism be stressed over all other religions when the children are young? Surely, the native religion should come before christianity if studying the religious history of north america, correct, considering the indians were here for at least 10,000 years before the Europeans came? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2005 06:27 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
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This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2005 06:33 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I don't know of any secular humanist, including myself, who believes that. In fact, if anything, we have a long, long history of Christians trying to impose their religion upon everyone else in the country, right up to the present time. I mean, seriously, when was the last time you even heard of a secular humanist going door to door, trying to get people to renounce their faith? I get the Mormons, the Baptists, the Evangelicals, and the Jehovah's Witnesses coming to my door all the time. We get billboards trying to get people to believe in the Christian God, lots of televangelists, the 700 club, Capus Crusade for Christ shouting yo people on the street corner, holding silly banners, handing out pamplets that would only convert a stupid person who already believes (...but what about what it says in the Bible!?), and even a year round Christmas store in the mall who's shopping bags read "Jesus is the Reason for the Season." We are steeped, marinated, and roilling in Christianity in this country, and you have the gall and the utter lack of perspective to think that secular humanism is somehow any kind of major force in our culture. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2005 06:44 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How are you prevented from practicing your religion? (also, please note my sig...) This message has been edited by schrafinator, 11-17-2005 04:29 PM "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."--Thomas Jefferson There is no greater threat to civil liberties than an efficient government. -jar
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You aren't allowed to put up a Christmas display at your house?
quote: People can pray all they want at public events. If the event isn't a government-sponsored event, there can be all the group prayer they want. If it's a government sponsored event, then people can pray privately all they want. You can pray all the damn day and night for all I care.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You can't put up a Christmas display at your house? Answer the question.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So what does any of this have to do with you putting up a christmas display at your house? You can put a Christmas display up at your house, correct? You can express your religion as an indvidual citizen. Right?
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