Has evolution been proven ?

How exactly has evolution been proven?

In reply to my own post, I have come up with a way to prove which of the two is the truth. Ok, here's the plan, we all just believe what we want, live our lives, and die. If evolution is correct, nobody will know b/c we'll be dead and no longer exist. However, if Creationism is true, then everyone will know b/c we'll be face to face with the Creator and He'll be asking us why we should be allowed into Heaven.This is just my idea though, you don't actually have to do it willingly, b/c its going to happen anyways.And one more thing, is anyone out there familiar with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics?

Christian creationism can not be rediscovered since it is stringently supported by a book that would not be rediscovered.You're looking at this as though God is unable to talk to us, Christianity would be "rediscovered" with no problem because God is able to talk to His people.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

Yes, but in modern days that usually resulted in mass suicides, snipings, or births of doomsday cults. The question is how do you know who God has spoken to and who are just plane crazy or power hungry?If we are still assuming this is after everyone's minds have been erased along with all printed pages burnt, and someone just started talking about God, then there would be really no way to know because no body else would have any knowledge of their own to argue with them. However, if we are speaking as of now, already with knowledge of God, and with the Bible as a resource, then if someone says they have been spoken to by God, then we must check it with the scriptures. If what the person says matches what the Bible says, and also comes to pass, then their message is most likely from God. There is, however, only one way to be certain that someone has really been spoken to by God, and that is for God to confirm it by revealing Himself to you through the Bible, prayer or circumstances.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

Thanks for the resources JonF, I'll be sure to study Thermodynamics whenever I can so that we may continue this debate after I have widened my knowledge of the subject.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

That was already pointed out to me by Sylas and Percy, so of course I'll have to change it. How's this signature, any arguments against it?[This message has been edited by SoulFire, 04-06-2004]

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During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

Ok, after changing my signature for the third time, I have decided to go with a statement not dealing directly with scientific facts, so here it is:

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

There was the "problem" of SoulFire's little &. That certainly works in debate where you linked

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for if the "circularity" comes from man and not GOD then back to Soul Fire.Ummm... I don't quite know what your getting at... no offense but your sentences seem a little incomplete. What's "SoulFire's little &."? Back to me for what?

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

This is false. Evolution does not imply the absence of any afterlife...If this is true, then would you mind explaining to me how evolution could possibly fit in with any afterlife? In order for there to be an afterlife, we must accept the existence of the human soul, something that is able to live and survive without requiring anything else that all forms of life need, something that affects our thoughts, choises, and emotions. Something like this could not possibly be made of simple matter or energy could it? Please also read my signature.

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...nor does it imply the absence of god, or a creator.I think the kind of god or creator you are refering to here is a mechanical god, that created the earth and then left it on it's own. This is completely contradictory to the entire Bible, which is absolutely filled with examples of God persuing personal, loving relationships with individuals such as Abram, Joseph, David, Solomon, Sampson, and many many more. Please read below where, in reply to Lam's statements against the Bible, I have given some more details and a helpful link.

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

I don't exactly remember the order of translation, but here is how it roughly look: Ancient Hebrew --> Ancient Greek --> Greek --> Hebrew --> Latin --> everything else. The NT went through something similar: Ancient Greek ---> Greek ---> Latin ---> King James ----> everything else.First of all, the original Bible was not just written in two languages. As a whole, the bible was written:
-by over 40 authors
-in 3 languages
-on 3 continents
-over a span of 1,500 years,
-and covers hundreds of controversial subjects
Though despite all of this, the authors all spoke with agreement; there are no contradictions. From Genesis to Revelation, there is one unfolding story--God's redemption of mankind. I could go into more detail here, but I find this link (where I got the precceding information) to be much more capable of explaining this than I am.

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

I don't know if this will help, but I also don't know how long thissite is going to keep it up, so try to listen to it as soon as possible and I'll just give you it and post a more complete reply at a later time.Life Beyond the Grave

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

Whoa there, thats alot of big words and I'm afraid my vocabulary is sorely lacking, if there is a dumbed-down way you could explain all of that, then it would do me alot more good. What exactly are "neuron lipid side chains", or "inonic flow"?

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

For example, in the Matthew, Mark, and Luke crucifiction accounts, the last supper is a Passover meal. In John, however, Jesus is dead before Passover.Well, I recently overheard someone talking about how the year that Jesus was crucified was "different" than usual in the fact that there was two passover meals or something like that. I know only that and will get back to you with the full story as soon as I can (Which may take a while). But in the mean time, feel free to supply me with any more contradictions you want.

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

Would you mind giving me the exact scriptures of each book that say Jesus was dead either beofore or after the Passover?

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis

The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.There is no departure from the other three gospels at all, when John says "the preparation" he is refering to the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath. This has nothing to do with the Passover, as the Sabbath is the last day of the week of creation when God took a rest after creating the world, to set an example for us to do the same.

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"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that you -- your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" -Francis Crick in The Astonishing Hypothesis