infinite space

I skipped thru this so I apologise if I merely repeat or partially say anothers thoughts...Nomenclature...'outer space' = the observable and the surmised to exist place where all energy [bound and un-bound] exists.'space' or the much more accurate 'The Void' = the nothingness that outer space is expanding into.Outer Space is finite.
The Void is infinite.That is why the Universe will never collapse, the void is the only true Vacuum that there ever was or ever will be, it is the driving force for the expansion, the power that continues it on expanding.Simply thing of a high altitude balloon, at sea level it is a sorry sight as it rises the vacuum of the upper atmosphere pulls it open to the magnificent shape we all think of.The universe is not powered by some amazing 'explosion' there is no seering boundary of the explosive flamefront, because it would blind us, the edge of the universe is dark and tormented place where energy is escaping into the void and filling it, it is the powerhouse of gravity, think of gravity as a less 'bright' version of that flamefront.

The void is exactly what outer-space expands into... the nothingness.There are other terms, you can if you wish call it 'bollocks' in fact I think 'susan' is equally valid.

Buz, within anywhere defined as either here on earth or any where in outer-space a perfect nothiness can never be formed.The fact that you only use one term is because you are impoverished by your thinking, we need 2...

I won't.It is expanding.It is expanding into nothing.The void is nothingness.

Yep, this is true, but the plain fact that the models work, the absolute vacuum model explains too much to not be right.There is a problem tho, you can never see it, because until the edge expands to occupy more of the void, and as things become observable the void remains beyond our physical perception.

...and nothing is bigger than endless nothingness... hence why the Universe will expand forever.Only one correction... space-time does not exist, that is just sloppy thinking.Please use 'energy-matter, it is both more correct and makes better sense.

You guys are still having trouble pulling yourself away from giving reality to something that is simply not there.No one in this World can and will never give me a mass or a formula for time, what is time made of?Please tell me.Everything that exists has energy... no energy = no existence.

Of itself no.The 'existence' that is drawn into it makes it appear so, but that is simply because being the only true vacuum ever it is an attractor.[This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-24-2004]

Look anywhere [the net or books] and there isn't any mass or formula for time, this is because it is merely a tool for giving sequence to things that happen, the same applies to the other dimensions, they are just constructs.Let me try this on you...Imagine we had no time pieces, just like our early ancestors we relied on the Sun and the Seasons, we would be unable to 'order' things would we, we would remain primitive... now look to History and see the advances that go hand in hand with the further and furhter and more accurate fractioning of the day, the hours the minute and so on...Now try this...If time existed [as an entity] we should be able to find some minute constituent part, you know, a fraction of a fraction of a second and observe it, but things are not like that, time appears smooth because it is extant, there is no time that moves on or jerks like a frame of a movie... the smoothness is just the simple fact that it does not exist and the flow is merely there because you exist.

No one has ever witnessed time... they have seen time passing [the second hand of a clock] and witnessed the effect of time on the decay of things [our own] but that is NOT time you are witnessing, that is EMR as the weak force slowly changing the bindings that make matter from EMR and the strong force.Do your shoe laces up... and you tie them using 'the strong force' walk around for a day and the laces are slowly un-picked and come undone, that is 'the weak-force'... a bit simple but you get the picture.

To carry that awful analogy further...The friction that kept the lace tied for so long, well that can equate to gravity... the lace itself? that is the pure energy of EMR.

Your problem.

Yes.But only by indolence.[This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-24-2004]

That is not a formula for the construction of time merely the effect we see... it is using time in exactly the way I have said as a frame to hang the viewed effect...You fail, but keep trying...

I'll try another way for you to see this...We all know that 'time' slows as things speed up, I think you agree with this, yes? The 2 clocks and jet aeroplane experiment is repeated endleesly.Now I am gonna ask you a question that I asked myself the first time I heard of this experiment...If time existed as some form of energy then why didn't the time 'catch up' as the 'plane slowed and came to a stop?If time 'existed' then surely the great 'weight' of it would force the time back to correspond with the rest of the World.You can only alter the marking of time because it is purely a measurement tool.[This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-24-2004][This message has been edited by V-Bird, 03-24-2004]